How do I fix Chromium-based browser lags

I highly disagree. The statement “might” be true for the Gentoo wiki, or Slackware howtos, but AW is as easy and straight forward as there can be.

Yes they explain what you need to do to achieve something but like sometimes they don’t explain things in details for example I remember in the past it didn’t explain what these flags meant for something (I can’t quite remember what I was searching up)… Plus it can get too technical for noobs like me.

Short answer, it can’t. The wiki tells you just enough to get by while still not be totally in the dark. Each topic it takes on, will have something related ought to be explained. If they start explaining everything. . . . I don’t know, actually they just can’t. For you it was some flags, for another person, it’ll be something different, like say “bootloader” or “configs” or “format”. If you want to know about something, you’ll have to search on that yourself. If you want to know about some flags of a program named “X”, you’ll have to look into its documentation. It’s “Arch Wiki”, not a “documentation of everything”.

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Fair enough and you are right about that. I can also understand it can become too bloated the documentation website if they explained everything.

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Ok so after installing libva-utils, when i ran vainfo I get this error message vaInitialize failed with error code -1 (unknown libva error),exit

Install libva-intel-driver. It’ll fix the issue.

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@anotherusername @ricklinux Ok so after installing libva-intel-driver and after runnign vainfo I am getting this output.

vainfo: VA-API version: 1.6 (libva 2.6.0)
vainfo: Driver version: Intel i965 driver for Intel(R) Kaby Lake - 2.4.0
vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
      VAProfileMPEG2Simple            :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileMPEG2Simple            :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileMPEG2Main              :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileMPEG2Main              :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline:	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline:	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline:	VAEntrypointEncSliceLP
      VAProfileH264Main               :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264Main               :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264Main               :	VAEntrypointEncSliceLP
      VAProfileH264High               :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264High               :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264High               :	VAEntrypointEncSliceLP
      VAProfileH264MultiviewHigh      :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264MultiviewHigh      :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileH264StereoHigh         :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileH264StereoHigh         :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileVC1Simple              :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVC1Main                :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVC1Advanced            :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileNone                   :	VAEntrypointVideoProc
      VAProfileJPEGBaseline           :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileJPEGBaseline           :	VAEntrypointEncPicture
      VAProfileVP8Version0_3          :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVP8Version0_3          :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileHEVCMain               :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileHEVCMain               :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileHEVCMain10             :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileHEVCMain10             :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileVP9Profile0            :	VAEntrypointVLD
      VAProfileVP9Profile0            :	VAEntrypointEncSlice
      VAProfileVP9Profile2            :	VAEntrypointVLD

Is everything working fine?

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Now try to run the browser from a terminal, see the output, look for the lag you’re facing previously.

Ok so I am getting some interesting results.

So for both Opera and Brave it seems to behave differently. On Opera if I start it up by typing this in the terminal opera --enable-gpu-rasterization --ignore-gpu-blacklist --disable-gpu-driver-workarounds, for Opera this does seem to make it a lot smoother but still has lag in it, whereas for brave it still seems to lag.

Here is the output that I have so far for Opera.

[5097:5097:0226/230731.380216:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(374)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
[5166:1:0226/230732.132575:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5187:1:0226/230732.144351:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5193:1:0226/230732.166920:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5222:1:0226/230732.175586:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5223:1:0226/230732.189217:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5228:1:0226/230732.193160:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5243:1:0226/230732.221139:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5249:1:0226/230732.225241:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5263:1:0226/230732.235119:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5277:1:0226/230732.254908:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5283:1:0226/230732.268196:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5306:1:0226/230732.276206:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5321:1:0226/230732.306690:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5323:1:0226/230732.322537:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5335:1:0226/230732.326852:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5356:1:0226/230732.337030:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5365:1:0226/230732.340757:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5369:1:0226/230732.349528:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5378:1:0226/230732.355487:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5397:1:0226/230732.365016:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5408:1:0226/230732.370944:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5410:1:0226/230732.375358:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5432:1:0226/230732.387978:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5443:1:0226/230732.395468:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5454:1:0226/230732.404290:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5478:1:0226/230732.419210:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5495:1:0226/230732.437046:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5537:1:0226/230732.487905:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5581:1:0226/230732.561888:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5593:1:0226/230732.620729:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5607:1:0226/230732.704550:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5618:1:0226/230732.746854:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5097:5097:0226/230732.968896:ERROR:gles2_cmd_decoder.cc(8617)] [.DisplayCompositor]GL ERROR :GL_INVALID_OPERATION : glFramebufferTexture2D: <- error from previous GL command
[5102:5108:0226/230734.193146:ERROR:cert_verify_proc_nss.cc(998)] CERT_PKIXVerifyCert for default0.sec-tunnel.com failed err=-8181
[5102:5106:0226/230734.193607:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/230734.420696:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/230734.443529:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5454:1:0226/230734.518990:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.523681:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.590462:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.592419:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.594369:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.596187:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.599833:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.603135:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.612575:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5454:1:0226/230734.616550:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5102:5106:0226/230734.746437:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/230735.081073:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5073:5073:0226/230735.146024:ERROR:named_platform_channel_posix.cc(145)] connect /home/user1/.config/opera/oauc_pipe_r: Connection refused (111)
[5073:5073:0226/230735.148527:ERROR:named_platform_channel_posix.cc(145)] connect /home/user1/.config/opera/oauc_pipe_r: Connection refused (111)
[5102:5106:0226/230735.350522:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/230735.756106:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/230735.844556:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/230736.023040:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5683:1:0226/230737.900921:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5495:1:0226/230739.962527:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5495:1:0226/230739.964941:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file: No such file: (null)
[5698:1:0226/230740.514412:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5710:1:0226/230740.588547:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5703:1:0226/230740.626172:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5726:1:0226/230740.650907:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file: No such file: (null)
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file: No such file: (null)
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file: No such file: (null)
[5829:1:0226/230759.553733:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5829:1:0226/230802.692544:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5829:1:0226/230802.696705:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5829:1:0226/230802.741071:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5829:1:0226/230802.747331:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5841:1:0226/230803.278547:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5829:1:0226/230806.724109:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5829:1:0226/230806.725911:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5829:1:0226/230806.858585:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5829:1:0226/230806.859721:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5860:1:0226/230816.154695:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file: No such file: (null)
[5365:1:0226/230823.468145:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230823.468641:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230823.538805:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230823.539303:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230823.663396:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230823.664041:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230824.664175:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230824.664796:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230824.673560:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5365:1:0226/230824.676820:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5884:1:0226/230825.905603:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5907:1:0226/230828.980250:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5921:1:0226/230834.096109:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5907:1:0226/230838.982999:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230838.984020:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230839.088045:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230839.089245:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230839.356205:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230839.360152:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230840.924858:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230840.929213:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230840.930901:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5907:1:0226/230840.936179:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[5972:1:0226/230856.831829:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5973:1:0226/230856.840064:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[6002:1:0226/230911.810709:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[6122:1:0226/230920.395107:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[6408:1:0226/230947.470021:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[6408:1:0226/230950.933550:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[6408:1:0226/230950.941781:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[6408:1:0226/230950.947893:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[6408:1:0226/230950.951712:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[6408:1:0226/230951.118588:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[6408:1:0226/230951.131249:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[6466:1:0226/231047.919638:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5102:5107:0226/231240.113230:ERROR:cert_verify_proc_nss.cc(998)] CERT_PKIXVerifyCert for default0.sec-tunnel.com failed err=-8181
[5102:5106:0226/231240.113813:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/231240.120032:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/231240.384521:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/231240.392046:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/231745.058738:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/231745.336751:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5073:5073:0226/232144.367068:ERROR:named_platform_channel_posix.cc(145)] connect /home/user1/.config/opera/oauc_pipe_r: Connection refused (111)
[5073:5073:0226/232144.376356:ERROR:named_platform_channel_posix.cc(145)] connect /home/user1/.config/opera/oauc_pipe_r: Connection refused (111)
[6835:1:0226/232227.810301:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[6836:1:0226/232227.828488:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[6864:1:0226/232232.568135:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5102:5106:0226/232251.088831:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/232251.493208:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[7008:1:0226/232340.157331:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[7010:1:0226/232340.203828:ERROR:child_thread_impl.cc(784)] Receiver for unknown Channel-associated interface: chrome.mojom.SearchBouncer
[5102:5106:0226/232757.122089:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/232757.455940:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201
[5102:5106:0226/232757.865624:ERROR:ssl_client_socket_impl.cc(941)] handshake failed; returned -1, SSL error code 1, net_error -201

Here is the output for Brave.

[3552:3552:0226/230529.712844:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(374)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
[3528:3622:0226/230529.875180:ERROR:rewards_service_impl.cc(206)] Failed to read file: /home/user1/.config/BraveSoftware/Brave-Browser/Default/ledger_state
[3565:3565:0226/230529.938411:ERROR:ledger_impl.cc(102)] Failed to initialize wallet
[3608:1:0226/230530.761973:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.762884:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.813198:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.813872:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.815581:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.819052:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.824918:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.826423:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.832701:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3608:1:0226/230530.835686:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3673:1:0226/230532.511315:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3673:1:0226/230532.514614:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3528:3528:0226/230605.057776:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://gpu/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3849:1:0226/230607.928859:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.935296:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.941877:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.943375:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.946063:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.965342:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.971973:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.978825:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.986499:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3849:1:0226/230607.988871:ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(79)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.
[3528:3528:0226/230608.306419:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://settings/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/230608.743105:ERROR:CONSOLE(4)] "Polymer is already defined.", source: chrome://settings/crisper.js (4)
[3528:3528:0226/230629.662328:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.
[3528:3528:0226/230654.032471:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.
[3528:3528:0226/230742.390566:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.
[3528:3528:0226/230907.646880:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.
[3528:3528:0226/231059.487445:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/231059.487587:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/231059.521617:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "file:///home/user1/Downloads/gpu.html". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/231104.845800:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/231104.869186:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/231105.010652:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://newtab/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/231146.067055:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://gpu/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/231246.685552:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.
[3528:3528:0226/231911.833286:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.
[3528:3528:0226/232221.873250:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232221.891753:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232222.011894:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://newtab/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/232336.635689:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://gpu/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/232337.695537:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232337.699524:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232337.782597:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "chrome://newtab/". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/232459.766373:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232459.804058:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232459.806908:ERROR:CONSOLE(1)] "[Shields]: Can't request shields panel data. Error: No tab url specified", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/out/brave_extension_background.bundle.js (1)
[3528:3528:0226/232459.884100:ERROR:CONSOLE(0)] "Unchecked runtime.lastError: Cannot access contents of url "file:///home/user1/Downloads/gpu.html". Extension manifest must request permission to access this host.", source: chrome-extension://mnojpmjdmbbfmejpflffifhffcmidifd/_generated_background_page.html (0)
[3528:3528:0226/232911.851918:ERROR:gcm_channel_status_request.cc(145)] GCM channel request failed.

So it looks like with Brave’s GPU settings with Rasterization it seems to be only software based.
image

Where as for Opera it seems to be for hardware based.

image

I am not too sure why for Brave’s Rasterization is not enabled for hardware accelerated whereas for Opera it is working?

Even if Brave had Rasterization enabled for hardware acceleration (which will help with the laggy performance, just like for Opera), I believe there is still certain settings or something that is causing it to lag.

Try hard reinstalling brave. I’m not entirely sure what’s going on right now.

I was going say maybe that was causing it but i wasn’t sure. Too much back and forth and all over the map with way too many things.

THis is very strange, I typed yay -Rcs brave and it can’t even find the package, I even tried sudo pacman -Rcs brave and that also didn’t work?

edit: I was suppoed to type brave-bin not brave.

While the lag in Opera has reduced heavily, there it is still laggy. Is there another setting I should change for Opera?

Edit: I am sorry for the huge mess.

No need to apologise.

Can you provide us your system information, along with maybe a small sample clip of the laggy situation?

:+1:

Ok sure so I ran sudo lshw and here is the information about my PC.

somepc
    description: Laptop
    product: Inspiron 15-7579 (0743)
    vendor: Dell Inc.
    serial: 1K5W0F2
    width: 4294967295 bits
    capabilities: smbios-3.0 dmi-3.0 smp vsyscall32
    configuration: boot=normal chassis=docking family=Inspiron sku=0743 uuid=44454C4C-4B00-1035-8057-B1C04F304632
  *-core
       description: Motherboard
       product: 0HTWKK
       vendor: Dell Inc.
       physical id: 0
       version: A00
       serial: /1K5W0F2/CNWSC0071J001U/
     *-firmware
          description: BIOS
          vendor: Dell Inc.
          physical id: 0
          version: 1.27.0
          date: 01/18/2019
          size: 64KiB
          capacity: 15MiB
          capabilities: pci pnp upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect edd int13floppynec int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb smartbattery biosbootspecification netboot uefi
     *-memory
          description: System Memory
          physical id: 3d
          slot: System board or motherboard
          size: 16GiB
        *-bank:0
             description: SODIMM DDR4 Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered) 2400 MHz (0.4 ns)
             product: HMA82GS6AFR8N-UH
             vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
             physical id: 0
             serial: 91B05ED7
             slot: DIMM A
             size: 16GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 2400MHz (0.4ns)
        *-bank:1
             description: [empty]
             physical id: 1
             slot: ChannelB-DIMM0
     *-cache:0
          description: L1 cache
          physical id: 41
          slot: L1 Cache
          size: 128KiB
          capacity: 128KiB
          capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
          configuration: level=1
     *-cache:1
          description: L2 cache
          physical id: 42
          slot: L2 Cache
          size: 512KiB
          capacity: 512KiB
          capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
          configuration: level=2
     *-cache:2
          description: L3 cache
          physical id: 43
          slot: L3 Cache
          size: 4MiB
          capacity: 4MiB
          capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
          configuration: level=3
     *-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz
          vendor: Intel Corp.
          physical id: 44
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz
          serial: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
          slot: U3E1
          size: 3404MHz
          capacity: 3500MHz
          width: 64 bits
          clock: 100MHz
          capabilities: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb invpcid_single pti ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid ept_ad fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt intel_pt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp md_clear flush_l1d cpufreq
          configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=2 threads=4
     *-pci
          description: Host bridge
          product: Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers
          vendor: Intel Corporation
          physical id: 100
          bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
          version: 02
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
          configuration: driver=skl_uncore
          resources: irq:0
        *-display
             description: VGA compatible controller
             product: HD Graphics 620
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
             version: 02
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
             configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
             resources: irq:127 memory:d0000000-d0ffffff memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:f000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
        *-generic:0
             description: Signal processing controller
             product: Xeon E3-1200 v5/E3-1500 v5/6th Gen Core Processor Thermal Subsystem
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 4
             bus info: pci@0000:00:04.0
             version: 02
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: msi pm cap_list
             configuration: driver=proc_thermal latency=0
             resources: irq:16 memory:d1120000-d1127fff
        *-generic:1
             description: Non-VGA unclassified device
             product: Sunrise Point-LP Integrated Sensor Hub
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 13
             bus info: pci@0000:00:13.0
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=intel_ish_ipc latency=0
             resources: irq:20 memory:d1139000-d1139fff
        *-usb
             description: USB controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 14
             bus info: pci@0000:00:14.0
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi xhci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=xhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:123 memory:d1110000-d111ffff
           *-usbhost:0
                product: xHCI Host Controller
                vendor: Linux 5.5.5-arch1-1 xhci-hcd
                physical id: 0
                bus info: usb@1
                logical name: usb1
                version: 5.05
                capabilities: usb-2.00
                configuration: driver=hub slots=12 speed=480Mbit/s
              *-usb:0
                   description: Keyboard
                   product: USB Receiver
                   vendor: Logitech
                   physical id: 3
                   bus info: usb@1:3
                   version: 29.00
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
                   configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA speed=12Mbit/s
              *-usb:1
                   description: Video
                   product: Integrated_Webcam_HD
                   vendor: CNFGE11M482030003460
                   physical id: 5
                   bus info: usb@1:5
                   version: 63.23
                   serial: 0x001
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
                   configuration: driver=uvcvideo maxpower=500mA speed=480Mbit/s
              *-usb:2
                   description: Bluetooth wireless interface
                   vendor: Intel Corp.
                   physical id: 6
                   bus info: usb@1:6
                   version: 0.01
                   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
                   configuration: driver=btusb maxpower=100mA speed=12Mbit/s
              *-usb:3
                   description: Mouse
                   product: eGalaxTouch EXC3104-1324-07.00.00
                   vendor: eGalax Inc.
                   physical id: 7
                   bus info: usb@1:7
                   version: 24.02
                   capabilities: usb-2.01
                   configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA speed=12Mbit/s
           *-usbhost:1
                product: xHCI Host Controller
                vendor: Linux 5.5.5-arch1-1 xhci-hcd
                physical id: 1
                bus info: usb@2
                logical name: usb2
                version: 5.05
                capabilities: usb-3.00
                configuration: driver=hub slots=6 speed=5000Mbit/s
        *-generic:2
             description: Signal processing controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP Thermal subsystem
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 14.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:14.2
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi cap_list
             configuration: driver=intel_pch_thermal latency=0
             resources: irq:18 memory:d1138000-d1138fff
        *-generic:3
             description: Signal processing controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller #0
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 15
             bus info: pci@0000:00:15.0
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=intel-lpss latency=0
             resources: irq:16 memory:d1137000-d1137fff
        *-generic:4
             description: Signal processing controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP Serial IO I2C Controller #1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 15.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:15.1
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=intel-lpss latency=0
             resources: irq:17 memory:d1136000-d1136fff
        *-communication
             description: Communication controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP CSME HECI #1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 16
             bus info: pci@0000:00:16.0
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=mei_me latency=0
             resources: irq:125 memory:d1135000-d1135fff
        *-storage
             description: SATA controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI mode]
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 17
             bus info: pci@0000:00:17.0
             version: 21
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: storage msi pm ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ahci latency=0
             resources: irq:124 memory:d1130000-d1131fff memory:d1134000-d11340ff ioport:f090(size=8) ioport:f080(size=4) ioport:f060(size=32) memory:d1133000-d11337ff
        *-pci
             description: PCI bridge
             product: Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #5
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.0
             version: f1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:122 memory:d1000000-d10fffff
           *-network
                description: Wireless interface
                product: Wireless 3165
                vendor: Intel Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                logical name: wlan0
                version: 79
                serial: 70:1c:e7:1e:b5:b8
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
                configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwlwifi driverversion=5.5.5-arch1-1 firmware=29.163394017.0 ip=192.168.1.102 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
                resources: irq:126 memory:d1000000-d1001fff
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: Sunrise Point-LP LPC Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
             version: 21
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: isa bus_master
             configuration: latency=0
        *-memory UNCLAIMED
             description: Memory controller
             product: Sunrise Point-LP PMC
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.2
             version: 21
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz (30.3ns)
             configuration: latency=0
             resources: memory:d112c000-d112ffff
        *-multimedia
             description: Audio device
             product: Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=32
             resources: irq:140 memory:d1128000-d112bfff memory:d1100000-d110ffff
        *-serial
             description: SMBus
             product: Sunrise Point-LP SMBus
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.4
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.4
             version: 21
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             configuration: driver=i801_smbus latency=0
             resources: irq:16 memory:d1132000-d11320ff ioport:f040(size=32)
  *-battery
       product: DELL 3CRH35B
       vendor: SMP
       physical id: 1
       version: 11/11/2016
       serial: 00F0
       slot: Sys. Battery Bay
       capacity: 41990mWh
       configuration: voltage=11.4V

Do you mean a video?

Yes

Can OBS do 60 fps if I saved it as a gif or is there an easier software out there?

I prefer simplescreenrecorder for short clips.

[PageRecord::StartPage] Starting page ...
[PageRecord::StartPage] Started page.
[PageRecord::StartOutput] Starting output ...
[Muxer::Init] Using format gif (CompuServe Graphics Interchange Format (GIF)).
[Muxer::AddStream] Using codec libx264 (libx264 H.264 / AVC / MPEG-4 AVC / MPEG-4 part 10).
[VideoEncoder::PrepareStream] Using pixel format nv12.
[Muxer::Start] Error: Can't write header!
[BaseEncoder::~BaseEncoder] Stopping encoder thread ...
[BaseEncoder::EncoderThread] Encoder thread started.
[BaseEncoder::EncoderThread] Encoder thread stopped.
[PageRecord::StartOutput] Error: Something went wrong during initialization.

I have no idea why am I getting this error?