Having some questions about EndeavourOS

Hi dear community!

I don’t use Endeavour; I’m a Manjaro user. After some wrong decisions taken by the Manjaro team (like MDD) and being unstable, I’ve decided to quit it. I love the philosophy of Arch about the approach of updating programs because I don’t like the huge delay of updating apps on other distributions, so I decided to move to Arch, but for the first time I heard about this OS (Honestly, I’ve not even heard the name of EndeavourOS). As for the information I’ve gained about this OS, this OS is almost like a graphical version of Arch.

So maybe I spoke a lot because I wanted to give you a better view of my situation.

Could any experienced EndeavourOS users answer this question of mine?

  1. Is EndeavourOS better than Manjaro? (If yes, which point)

  2. What should I know before installing EndeavourOS?

  3. Is EndeavourOS just a graphical version of Arch? I mean that “Does that have any extra thing that differs it from Arch?”. For example, in Manjaro, we have some things that are specific to Manjaro, like pamac and mwhd.

I know this is so much but I really appreciate everyone who spend time for answer :pray:

Please read the wiki
https://discovery.endeavouros.com/

Edit: I have been on this forum for over 3 years and have never had to ask a single technical question. Everything I need to know is on arch linux, arch wiki, Endeavour wiki and of course this great A̶n̶t̶e̶r̶g̶o̶s̶ EnOs forum :kissing_heart:

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Hello, welcome to :enos: !. Here are my answers to your questions.

  1. I can’t answer this, I haven’t used Manjaro for an extended period of time. During the time I used it I had a decent experience. Usually the answer to this question boils down to personal experiences with the distro and personal preferences. That means you have to try our distro to know it. You can try to do a quick install in a VM and try it out before you install it on hardware.
  2. Nothing particular comes to my mind. Just that we are a Terminal-Centric distro. Which means that the preferred way to install and main your packages is through the terminal instead of a GUi package manager.
  3. :enos: is not a graphical version of Arch. We provide a graphical way to install arch, but our installation comes with some of our custom packages including our welcome tool, theming etc, which makes it not arch but an arch based distro. After you install and set up your system, the experience should be similar to Arch. Basically we do the configurations for you and install a decent set of packages to start with so that you have a decently running system right after install.
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Thanks for your answer.

Correct me if I’m wrong:

My impression of this answer is that EndeavourOS is Arch + some visual programs that make your experiences of Arch better.

So what’s the difference between installing Arch and then installing a DE and installing EndeavourOS?

It’s the installation process which is the most different. Arch way to install is CLI. Meanwhile we use a graphical installer called Calamares, which Manjaro also uses

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The last question:

Does EndeavourOS have any program to make Arch’s functionality better?

Here are our custom tools which make maintaining your system easier.

https://discovery.endeavouros.com/category/endeavouros-tools/

But the main advantage is this forum! It is full of people ready to help in case you have an issue with your system. It’s a very good place to hang out.

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Yes, I’ve already used this advantage without installing EndeavourOS.

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Endeavour is Arch based meaning that it is basically a feature rich Arch with custom tools and themes.
Manjaro is Based on Arch meaning it uses Arch packages but does not follow the Arch philosophy.

That depends on YOUR knowledge, expertise and experience.

We offer a small set of tools to help assist in the maintenance of the OS.

We do not come shipped with a Graphical Application Manager like Pamac. We do ship yay. If you prefer a Gui type I recommend pacseek.

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No, the reason I asked it is because I like to know if there is anything that might be strange or surprising for a newbie. (I know that you might trash-talk and say The only thing that might surprise you is it’s greater than Manjaro. :winking_face_with_tongue:)

Try it. You will either like it or you wont. :man_shrugging:

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EOS is just Vanilla Arch with a nice installer… since you have used Manjaro, you shouldn’t have any problems. EOS comes with pamac still, I think, which is great for managing yay, though I prefer to do system updates using the command line. Just boot it up from a live CD and try it… unlike vanilla Arch, it is something, you can do with EOS… :smiley:

Here are some more details:

I used Manjaro for some years, after moving away from openSUSE. I used to like it a lot, but as you have found out yourself, it has become a bit of a pain… eventually updates would break it… either it wouldn’t boot, or other stuff would break, so I moved away from it to EndeavourOS, as I didn’t want to leave Arch per se.

EndeavourOS is easy to install, as it uses Calamares, like Manjaro does, I think. And it gives you the original Arch experience, as it uses the Arch repos and all. It does come however pre-setup, with all you need and some handy scripts, you can run with a single click.

The only major difference, from what I know is, that EndeavourOS uses Dracut instead of mkinitcpio and systemd instead of grub by default. However, during the installation of Arch and also using archinstall, you can set Arch up to use Dracut and systemd as well. I am running native Arch right now, using systemd but mkinitcpio, due to some problems and downsides of Dracut, I personally don’t like… however, for most use cases, this can be ignored.

Now, I decided to run native Arch, simply for two reasons… first, I wanted to go through the challenge of installing it and the other reason was, that Arch allows a lot of configuration and personalization. You get a lot more control of how your final system looks and how it works. However, after the system is up and running, there is not really any big difference compared to EOS.

That said, installing vanilla Arch, even using Arch install, still is quite complex, if you don’t know what you are doing. You still need to connect to the internet and set up some things through the command line and partitioning is a bit of a pain, even if you got some Linux experience. It is very well documented though and if you are willing to spend the time, it’s worth it. Otherwise use EndeavourOS and you get pretty much the same.

I love EOS and the EOS community is super cool and nice… I still put EOS on some systems, I set up and if my Arch system was going to break now, I would probably install EOS with KDE Plasma again, because I am not sure if I feel like going through the arch install again nor if it is worth it, since EOS does a great job with it.

So, I do recommend, to use either vanilla Arch or EOS, over using Manjaro. Some people have tried Garuda (Gaming Distro) and CachyOS seems to come up a lot these days as well. I don’t recommend Garuda, since it’s bloated and has quite a few bugs in it. I don’t know CachyOS, so I can’t say anything about it.

If you look for pure Arch, without the hassle of its installation and also look for a friendly community, go EndeavourOS. The Arch community can be quite difficult, though it has gotten a bit better. I love EOS, and I am still a lot here on the forums, much more than on the Arch ones… :stuck_out_tongue:

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New EndeavourOS user here, and I just recently migrated my desktop over from Manjaro myself after a bit of testing on my laptop. I found the transition pretty seamless. The installer is basically the same as has been mentioned above several times, and it’s pretty straightforward to configure your system in the same ways as you can with Manjaro (unsurprisingly). You may find the occasional thing that Manjaro enabled by default that needs to be enabled manually in EndeavourOS, or vice versa. What I liked about Endeavour was that it’s Arch with a quicker and easier onboarding process; while I’m certainly capable of installing Arch directly, it’s time and effort I’d just as soon not spend when EndeavourOS exists. :purple_heart:

I haven’t encountered any downsides or unpleasant surprises. The more rapid trickle of package updates as opposed to Manjaro’s semi-rolling big block updates has been a change, but more fun than annoying. I’d already been using yay in Manjaro, but I discovered and fell in love with pacseek as a TUI frontend for it as mentioned by thefrog above.

Zero regrets from me so far, but YMMV of course.

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Welcome to the purple space :enos: :enos_flag: !!

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Yes. In MY opinion. In reality, that is a question the cannot be answered. “Better” is purely subjective.

The best way to learn about EndeavourOS is to check out EndeavourOS Discover. Which is basically the EndeavourOS WIKI.

Also check out the main Arch WIKI.

This has been answered nicely by those above. But @thefrog’s answer is short and to the point: EndeavourOS offers a small set of tools to help assist in the maintenance of the OS. It does not come shipped with a Graphical Application Manager like Pamac. EndeavourOS does ship yay. If you prefer a Gui type I recommend pacseek.

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Myself I really like Endeavour. I started and still have it installed in virtualbox on 2 different computers.I also use Manjaro and Fedora which is where the virtualboxes are installed.I have an older ThinkCentre which has been running EOS now for a couple months with no issues.One of the best things I like about EOS is the forum here.The people here seem to be a lot more laid back and not so serious when someone needs help.

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Very long time Arch user here and EOS user for the last few years. I use both daily, EOS makes things easier for the average users. If you have the ability to check out both, then do, you can learn a few things installing Arch the Arch way using the wiki.

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EndeavourOS is the best of Arch without the hassle of having to know every single step you need to do to install a complete working desktop. There are no surprises. It just works.

EndeavourOS has some great tools that are provided in the Welcome app to make it stand out above the crowd providing the user instant flexibility and functionality to use and maintain it. There are also other packages that can be installed either from the EOS repo or AUR that can assist as well such as Pacseek as an example as mentioned.

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Hello and welcome,

(I’m a former Manjaro user)
1 - EOS is very close to Arch and don’t make controversial choices (snap, office365 for example), has less application installed and less pre-configured stuff and you can update your system whenever you want.

2 - You’ll have to use Arch Wiki more, because EOS is less newbie friendly.

3 - You can still install pamac from the AUR, regarding mwhd, which is a nice tool, there’s nothing like that, but EOS has only two kernels, current and lts. There’s also no pacman-mirrors, you have to use the usual tools, reflector or rate-mirrors.

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I never knew this. Awesome Info, thank you as well! It solidifies my wanting to continue endeavouring as well. :slight_smile:

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