I switched to Vivaldi because my European transition considering software (that I have rambled here 
) and have been very happy with it. Luckily there are browser alternatives for everyone (and every device) nowadays. 
P.s. @swh, @moxdrox, that was very first browser I used in middle-school. It was so mind-blowing back then… Those were the days… 
Not even remotely accurate.
I use Zen, Floorp, Librewolf, Tor and Mullvad.
I don’t think any of them is really best. They all have a different focus.
If you like Vivaldi, Floorp is probably the closest to that experience.
Floorp and Zen provide better defaults than Firefox but aren’t truly privacy focused.
Libreworlf, Tor and Mullvad are all privacy focused. They all sacrifice usability to different degrees.
Totally acurate in my opinion - one is a foundation which lost it’s focus and tries to sell user data for it’s own ad network, the other is a corp which ties directly into google and uses googles code. What are your points?
Nope. Not because it’s not a good browser… but because FLOORP. Yes, I completely realize that not using something because of its name is… well… dumb. But for the love of all that is good, they need to change that idiotic name. 
I read a reddit of something where a user asked “How did Floorp get its name?”
Next person that replied said “Dr. Seuss named it.”
Browser? That came after CompuServe MicroNet scroll-mode SIG menus on 150 bps acoustic couplers, right? After gopher, too? Ah, wait, yes, then we had Netscape Navigator, Internet Exploder and lynx!
Tbh, I still operate a Gopher server and use lynx once in a while.
For normal use, it’s still Firefox. I also have Chromium on a few machines, but just to burn firmware into ESP32s. Sad they all terminate things users find beneficial, like support for gopher, ftp and RSS/Atom feeds. Instead, we can now hide the title bar, get menus where we don’t want them and have fancy background images… hooray…
It’s critical that we basically only have two browser engines, and everything else is built around them. I fear if Mozilla go down the drain, all the many Firefox forks will be left abandoned, too. They simply don’t have the money and human resources to continue and evolve a project that size, and be competitive.
What´s about Firebird ?
Still not completely accurate. While I’ve lost any respect for Mozillia because of their misusing user data Vivaldi goes out of it’s way to go through the Google code and either remove or work around the bad parts.
In YOUR opinion. Please state your opinion as yours when you are talking about mine.
And nope, Vivaldi does not do everything to get rid of google. They have autoconnection to google servers, and this is done via opt-out, and this should stay this way due to “user convenience”. If that’s fine for you - be happy with it. For me it makes my opinion dead accurate.
What’s a good alternative to you then because Firefox isn’t and from the Firefox-forks I have tried and seen neither are most of them?
EndeavourOS Forum was our last, best hope for peaceful discussion.
It failed.
It was Third Age of Mankind and the 2543th Browser War was upon us.
My hope is completely on Ladybird currently, but this is still pre-Alpha. In the meantime I use Librewolf for “trustworthy” internet stuff, vanilla Firefox for self-hosted services and ungoogled-chromium when chrome is a must.
I think everyone is waiting for Ladybird. I use the sync feature to sync my settings and bookmarks across multiple devices. If I were to use a Firefox-fork I would have to use a Firefox account anyways to sync that, I tried self-hosting bookmarks but haven’t come across anything that works good enough together with a browser extension. The only browser that has an alternative sync feature that doesn’t require an account is Brave but I don’t trust Brave. I trust Vivaldi more than I do Brave for various reasons.
Sadly, Ladybird isn’t a thing yet and may never be a thing. Until it is a thing, it’s not a candidate for a daily use browser.
Humans and aliens wrapped in 2,500,000 pieces of spinning software fragments
All alone in the night
I suddenly feel like being on the Endeavourlon 5…
Out of curiosity, what do you dislike or find missing in all the Firefox derivatives?
The only two that I would use are Librewolf and Floorp, after having checked that one out. I dislike the way Zen browser is setup as in seems to force you to work a certain way. I dislike how the menu looks on Waterfox and Floorp, Firefox looks better but I get you could change that with theming. Even though I don’t like Zen browser it’s the only one that seems to have gotten out of their way to look different than Firefox. That’s basically what I dislike about Firefox-forks.
There’s also that I use account sync for syncing my favorites and settings across multiple devices. With every Firefox-fork you still have to use a Mozilla account, which then kind of defeats the purpose of using a Firefox-fork and I haven’t come across any good tool for self-hosting it that pairs together with a good working browser extension.
In short I don’t really trust Mozilla enough anymore to be trusting them with my account data containing favorites. I found that with Vivaldi you create an account to sync and then you also generate a key with a passphrase to decrypt your account information. That gives me the impression that my data account sync data is encrypted and can’t just access it but there’s not real way to know that just an impression from how it is setup.
So for account syncing the options are:
Brave I don’t trust and they seem to be more focused on ads, the only thing I like about their browser is that you don’t need an account to sync your favorites and settings across devices, but at the same time it’s also annoying but it seems the most privacy friendly way of syncing. From that list Vivaldi seems the most trustworthy of them all and it’s developed by a European company which is a bonus for me.
So in short I dislike that almost all Firefox-forks look too much like Firefox and that the one that doesn’t I don’t like the different workflow they seem to have, after almost a year of using Vivaldi I find Vivaldi just more modern looking than Firefox or Firefox-fork. Lastly account syncing across different devices is a thing for me and with all Firefox-forks you still have to use a Firefox/Mozilla account.
Does that answer your question?
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Back to the original heading…
Been using Vivaldi (having switched from Firefox) for well over a year on multiple Endeavor platforms and a Samsung Android tablet. Works great for the most part.
Took a while to get all my accounts and access points set up during the transition (accepting specific cookies from banks, forums, etc. needed for easy access).
Every once in a while, there’s something I cannot get Vivaldi to work with, despite diving deeply into the settings, and am forced to revert to Firefox-based access. But that’s pretty rare. Meanwhile, Vivaldi + add-ons allows me to dodge most everything that I would consider an ad, while preserving access to webpage elements needed for routine functionality.
On those (even rarer) occasions when I feel the need for greater privacy, I simply strike up an instance of Tor.
My guess is that most of the remaining privacy violations I care to avoid arise from search terms. And so my choice of search tools, not browser choice, matters more. Still using duckduckgo for most searches. YMMV.