This has been talked to death on the forum, search the forum topics. The point from the article is that they don’t support it
Apparently not something the devs want to maintain and not something the majority of eos or arch users want. The solution is simple to my opinion, users can install what they want, if they really need pamac and break their system, they can do it. To my understanding it’s mostly supported for Manjaro where arch packages are hold up before upgrading, can create a messy situation.
I think the most amazing part about the whole - “EOS doesn’t ship a GUI package manager” thing. . . Like EVERY article, EVERY youtube moron initially, EVERYTHING was like, “their greatest downfall is no GUI package manager.”
It sure hasn’t hurt our popularity lol It hasn’t “ended” the distro. And funny enough years later. . . people kind of. . . like it!?
Agan → pacseek (you’ll probably get fairly good support since the maintainer is here too)
I think you miss the point what eos is here for. It guides users to install an arch based system with a few tools on the journey. The rest is up to the users. Providing pamac is not on the list, we use yay and terminal by default. The rest is free choice by the users.
Btw: I don’t mean to speak for the devs, but I have used eos for about 2-3 years or almost as long as it started, these are just my observations
Pacseek is actually great. Most users demanding pamac don’t seem to understand that it can break their system and create a dependency mess to my humble understanding…
The “dilemma” of EnOS is that it has GUI-fied the most “terminal-centric” aspect of an Arch system, that is the installation by ArchWiki way.
After the installation, there is nothing in the OS’ code preventing anybody to install what they want GUI or else, no matter if it is endorsed by the developers or some part of the community.
Everyone is free to run and maintain, make and brake their system the way they want.
What does it matter if some @random in some corner of www may think or say.
When it comes to Pamac, it has shown to be prone to breakage once in a while. So those choosing to use it on EnOS, as has been mentioned before, may not enjoin the kind of support they expect from everybody on this community.
You want , then install Once basic system set up then it become Your system. if you want bloat/junk you free to install. Endeavouros give you kind help hand on your Arch based journey .
"https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux "
“It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.”
That most hold true on Endeavouros ( my opinon only ) Difference is Endeavouros more friendly to new / low xp usr on install + forum .
EOS does? Just install pamac and you can use it - There’s (not many) other options, and all are better. No one said it’s not ALLOWED, support has been exhausted already though since it’s a never ending broken program. There’s no way to “support” it outside of using Manjaro since it’s their program and updated at their cadence. IMO if you must use pamac for updating - I would recommend Manjaro (literally the only time I will do this) because you need their software so badly, it’s the only logical way to use it.
I would VERY STRONGLY recommend not using it for updates. If you do want to use it just to search packages I guess it’s ok.
But as a package manager - it’s very VERY poor. It’s been a long time since I’ve used it, but it doesn’t do or warn you of file permission chagnes, it didn’t tell you about pacnew/pacsafe files and more. . . So, it’s not a clean/solid/long term update process and you will eventually run into issues using it if I were to guess. But that’s not clean enough of a system for me.
After having clicked Apply for updating/installing packages, you could click on the > button at bottom right. It will take you to another “window” where you can see the same kind of output as if running pacman in a terminal.
Freedom of choice also means that the devs who give their free time to maintaining this distro are free to choose not to support a GUI package manager.
It’s your operating system, you can do with it whatever you want.
If you want to do stupid things, do stupid things, I certainly don’t care. Nobody is infringing on your free choice. Just drop the entitled attitude. Or don’t, I don’t care about that either
I’ve actually never seen any objections being made on this forum against the use of file managers, text editors, web browsers, mail clients, rss readers, audio/video/photo editors, media players and so on and so forth.
As soon as someone mentions Pamac, some people reacts as if the person has uttered the F-word in front of the Pope in St. Peter’s Church.
Terminal-centric seems almost only refer to package management and a little bit more.
It’s not literal, but I don’t think Endeavour was in a crusade to take over Linux. Just a group that has grown into a bigger group that like what’s going on here. No one here cares if you use Arch. Or Endeavour or Fedora, or Pop or whatever. Just do your thing and we’re here if people want to do it too. Use pamac! GUI everything! It’s your system to maintain. Do it as you want. If you ship it though, you should support it which is virtually impossible given the way it’s built. But I don’t think the goal was to ever go out and get more users.
I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying EndeavourOS! I haven’t tried KDE, going with the lighter Vanilla Xfce desktop. I, too, found EndeavourOS easy to set up. I doal-boot with Windows. I think you’ll be pleased that EndeavourOS doesn’t work against you the way Windows does, particularly when you start getting into customizing your desktop. Enjoy!
Once basic system set up then it become Your system. if you want bloat/junk you free to install. Endeavouros give you kind help hand on your Arch based journey .
