Constructive GNOME & a bit of GTK Criticism

And a scuba-diving gear is a scuba-diving gear?

It is useful if you are going to scuba-dive.
It is useless if you are going mountain climbing.

Context matters.
The default solution doesn’t allow me to introduce context.
And the system doesn’t allow me to introduce an application that allows me to introduce context.

Sorry, but I don’t get your point. A screenshot creates a picture of your current screen. What can be wrong with that? The only thing that can be wrong with a screenshot is the point in time when you take the screenshot. But that is a human error. So what is this comparison with scuba diving and mountain climbing about?

This is useless.

This is useful (it answers your question).

Something is “useful” if it has reason to exist.
The first has no “context”, and therefore has no reason.
The second has “context”, which creates reason.

Edit:
To explain further in order to avoid misunderstanding.
When my intention is to for example provide instruction on how to reply to my post, a screenshot alone is completely useless. What makes it useful is the additional context.
If I have to open GIMP, might as well make a mockup of the post-box, and point to the lower right corner, where I paint a small return arrow.
The annotation is what provides the useful information, not the “screenshot”.

@mbod @Cphusion
That’s inadequate comparison, coz there is no parallel universe in which WMs claim to have UX at all :rofl:
Nor being user-friendly :clown_face:

Only major DEs have…well…some sort of resemblance of systematic plan for it’s looks and feels :upside_down_face:

flameshot work nice on Gnome . i have keyboard shortcut , work perfect

EDit maybe you want nasty point click icon in tray way ?

You could. How many security breach cases because of the extension install again, remind me?

Wrong decision.

In fairness, Gnome has more thing to consider and more people to rattle if they “wrong”.

Gnome couldn’t move a finger without angering Joshua Strobl and the entire budgie team. Good thing their distro is dying.

Gnome couldn’t move a jot without angering WM/KDE EndeavourOS user who think their left kidney is bloat lmao. :rofl:

Would love to see the number from, RHEL/CentOS, SLE, Alma and Rocky tbh.


Interesting…

I think the user base is just the same to be honest.


You would be surprised on average time of watching tutorial videos on Linux how-tos or… reading how to set up gaming on EndeavourOS.

Because in Linux, everything just works!*

Linux Gaming Moment
Linux Gaming Moment.

In my day we didn’t have such things as a video tuturial on how to do our OS because back then so few of us were here. Now every boy and his mother has a Linux Tube Channel. Most are wrong and full of ignorant biases.

ADOBE DONT :rofl:

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No I wasn’t talking about putting flameshot in tray.
I was talking about linking flameshot to the default PrntScr .

As it is now, it needs a hacky workaround with defining a script in /usr/local/bin/ (see falmeshot issues).

I was specifically talking about the Gnome Extension Review process.

And if it wasn’t clear, I’m very open to be proven wrong:

  • Is there an easy way to access past reviews from an extension page?
  • Do you have any information that Gnome devs review the extensions themselves?
  • Do you happen to have an actual human profile with a face and occupation for the dev of “JustPerfection” that seems to be doing all reviews?

https://twitter.com/jrahmatzadeh?lang=de

In your “reply”, where is his face and where is the company he is working for?

“I’m peciwov and I’m a software engineer.”
Does that make you trust me with your system’s security?

Knowing the face of a developer does not necessarily improve the trust level for me :rofl:

Data privacy is also a concern for open source developers. You will not find the face or the company/employer name for many, many other open source developers as well. If that concerns you, you have a more general problem. Not just with the JustPerfection extension.

PS
You have all the contact details of this guy. Just ping him and ask him questions if you are concerned.

Here is the difference (for me, others might disagree and I respect that).

When an anonymous contributor make a contribution to an Opensource project (especially a big one), more often than not a named individual will make the review/accept the MR etc.
That individual becomes liable (not necessarily legally, but in public opinion at least) if a vulnerability is introduced but that same MR.

For example a ton of developers of GNOME, Fedora, RH etc are named individuals, you can easily look them up and find their “identities” so to speak.

That said, I see that he appears to be a Member of the GNOME foundation.
The foundation states:

The Membership consists of all GNOME contributors who wish to become part of the Membership and go through the application process.

If there is information that the GNOME foundation runs identification as part of their process, then that would indeed add trust for me.

Edit:
By the way, I’m not saying that the individual in question is malicious of course.
All I’m saying is that I don’t know sh*t about him, which doesn’t inspire trust in the review process.
Could he be doing a fantastic job regardless? Absolutely!

You completely misunderstood my quote.

Spacebanana says Developers has “know it all” attitude. I agree and added that: The user (one of which is you and by extension also Me.) is also the same.

I have no interest in the problem you’re having. Your listed questions can be applied to any Free Software Maintainer and it’s still relevant.

Remember: “This software came with absolutely no Guarantee”.

If you want guarantee: pay for it, use RHEL/CentOS, RockyLinux, Alma etc. You can pay someone to make sure.

Do you think I’m gonna nag Bryan and Joe everytime EOS push an update that could bork my system?

You’re not wrong about that. You are absolutely right.
For systems I consider absolutely critical ofcourse I follow that advice.
For others, I just decide that if I don’t trust them I probably shouldn’t use them.
Or if I somewhat trust them, I should use them “cautiously”.

P.S: You probably replied to the wrong post. Not sure if your statement “I have no interest in the problem you’re having” is relevant or not (maybe you saw the wrong post?)

A constructive suggestion for all the constructive criticism conveyed here in this thread to hopefully make an impact on GNOME’s future development:

Screenshot from 2023-11-29 10-57-22

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Very good idea, would the best approach be posting in Gnome Discourse using the points i made at the start of this whole thing more “gnome friendly”?

Let’s get back to the point of the topic, what are everyone’s opinions that can help Gnome get better?

A common thing i see here is making the whole extension experience better, making changes to the UX make more sense for outsiders and of course make Gnome’s layout make more sense for users with limited accessibility.

Apart from firing everyone on the project who contributed to it in the last 10 years and hiring new people in hopes that they will be better, there is no way to fix ɢɴᴏᴍᴇ.

The problem is not the DE, that’s a symptom. The problem is the rotten organisation.

There is absolutely no point in trying to talk to ɢɴᴏᴍᴇ people, they do not listen. It’s a complete waste of time. If you don’t like ɢɴᴏᴍᴇ, use something other than it, you will never convince the devs to change it into something you like.

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Since this is what you hope for, I think to get engaged with GNOME’s developers and put forward your ideas would be a first step to at least get some feedback on the points you make in your criticism.

I am quite certain that not may of them, if any, frequent this forum so it would be best to “meet” them where they are and give them

:wink:

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