I thought this was already managed by EU by forcing Microsoft to include option to allow choosing of different browser. Apparently we have gone back in time in this.
However, some of these browsers backing this are no better than Microsoft considering privacy (and here I am writing this using Chrome, lol). People are blinded when they are being told, that This Particular Browser TM is the most advanced in privacy and forget that every single thing that connects to internet leaves a trace, how small it might be.
Some people seem to think that by using privacy browser of their choice protects them completely their identity, which is not true and that people who made browser are always honorable and donât seek personal gain. Also I think, that playing with Tor-network is only asking problems to come.
But this is only me.
About Us:
" The Browser Choice Alliance aims to promote genuine competition in the desktop browser market. This will support growth and innovation, for the benefit of consumers and developers alike."
that is some ^^ prime gobbletygook right there. What does that even mean?
This body will try to ensure desktop users are aware and able to choose any web browser available (without being force-fed one by an OS), and this should help to make all choices good choices by making them more equal in support and development.
This is straight-forward. Be mindful of when your bias makes clear text seem vague.
This is a great example of a pot calling a kettle black.
Cuz googleâs own âdark patternsâ of limiting consumers ability to use an internet browser of their choice is orders of magnitude worse, I mean you can uninstall edge on windows, but you cannot uninstall chrome on android.
ehâ
I have no bias at all except towards less vague language. even in my emergency-update-once-a-year-unplugged WIN HDD, I knew I was not forced to use Edge, and I installed all the browsers I wanted to use.
This Alliance is dedicated to the small portion of the population who believes they are forced to use Edge? Or is this âsmall portionâ of the internet pop. bigger than I think?
You can disable it so it doesnât show up as an application. Same situation on Windows.
All these surface level whataboutism talking points are mind numbing.
I was able to totally delete Edge on Windows, I installed Linux in its place. 
What?
The majority of Edge users donât know other browsers exist. Of the ones who do, their majority find using something else as inconvenient or âtoo differentâ. Of the ones who know about other browsers and switch, they mostly only switch to Chrome (and some Vivaldi) because it is the most popular browser in the world, since itâs the default on Android. And most of the world uses Android regardless of whether they are using Linux, Mac, or Windows on desktop.
Go home, Vicar. Youâre drunk.
fair enough. I did not realize people did not truly understand they had options. maybe in linux land too long
ouch
My first impression on this topic :
Yet another reissue of controversial topics concerning privacy and such.
Essentially all share the same major interest / overall opinion (thatâs not good) and will end up in arguments (this or that is even worse , I (or some) donât care that much about it) and some not so nice words being exchanged . (You donât care, how dare you âŚ)
And 3 hours later.
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Anyway. Back to the topic:
That has been in the days of the Internet Explorer Version 6.0, as of 2009.
Firefox was the most popular browser in those days, with a market share of more than 40%. Google Chrome was in itâs infancy and had only 2.3% of the market.
Even on a âcleanedâ install of Windows 10. It sneaked back in during service pack upgrades and such. Same applies to features such as Cortana, which I never wanted to have on my system in the first place.
I donât even have a clue how bad it is on Windows 11 currently.
Either way, itâs totally unimportant if itâs (Wiindows/Google/Apple). All of them had some questionable business practices. And weâve seen all flavors of pre-installed browser choices, restrictive software distribution policies for the app store or google play store. Or at least now web manifest v3. Some of these decisions are controversial and even if regulated by EU or other laws. Some of the issues will still persists. And theyâll bend those boundaries which theyâre facing by jurisdictions.
Itâs good when there are initiatives who want to generate awareness about those shady business practices.
So letâs spread the word about it. Instead of arguing about the wording and the gross extent of the seemingly boundless naivety of the average citizen.
I mean I hope this browser choice alliance thing succeeds, because then microsoftâs response would naturally be to answer the same exact way towards google chrome and inevitably since the precedent would have been set by the browser choice alliance succeeding, microsoft too would succeed with their revenge.
Ultimately if it goes down that way, weâre the winners and google and microsoft are the losers.
Who knew companies going at each otherâs throats was good for consumers! (I guess that was the whole idea behind capitalism until the companies started banding together against consumers instead 
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I donât see it that way, nor is it gobbledygook which only refers to when words are used outside of their true definitions, the text really doesnât make sense in any coherent way⌠This does make sense completely, and you are using the word Gobbledygook the wrong way, and spelled it wrong to (no big deal).
Itâs referring to both Microsoft and Googles messing with web tech as a whole in a way to make people have to make their websites work with proprietary tech they made, and also force other browsers to have to use it and comply or else be scolded for having problems which they didnât even create!
Although it has gotten better, I canât even count how many times I had to go through great lengths to change things on my website because those wannabe WWW owners and sole authorities of it Microsoft and Google, and partners of theirs like Samsung and similar made it so that there was proprietary tech in their search engines and browsers not within standards and I got all kinds of sh*t from people as well as found out the hard way that my site seemed broken for, when it was not, and always worked with firefox and others, and only once was it Firefox that completely broke it because in oder to cut down loading time I used one page with a menu to where links with more information and photos (imortant for my business) would open in Iframes as to not load the mother page too for every link visited, because it too hag graphics as menu items. Firefox although meaning well thought it a good idea lessen people loading others websites without permission and in violation of the law in Iframes for whatever security they could get around for doing so, and came up with e âSame domainâ policy, only that mine were all on my domain, and yet all of them were stopped from working because they never also checked the freaking domain the content of the Iframes came from, and just banned use of Iframes altogether which were still valid as to standards!!!
Sadly they also acted very unintelligent and baffled in understanding what I was saying so I got mad and asked to get someone with intelligence to take it up with and banned me, but lucky for me someone with intelligence caught it, reversed the ban, and it was changed within only 2 days, but it took a lot of time just figuring out how any of it happened and who was responsible, and days of back and forth trying to get them to understand the flaw they created so almost a month and whatever business I lost because of it!
Now thereâs someone who knows whatâs up!
The corporatization (a non word everyone should understand) of the internet is also to blame! I remember the day where we made true VPNâs with software that came with Windows 3.1, and one could make our own encrypted connections to friends and family and use them to Isolate ourselves for privacy and was great for doing business, then those softwareâs just disappeared, and a few months after they were nowhere to be found and all the ones we already had no longer worked, huge companies marketed their VPNS, as if such a thing never existed, but were essential (Yeah because they were the ones creating the need in the first place with their spying and data harvesting!) even though they were being used from day one the DARPA internet came online!!! Same with cloud services to store and backup your data and use anywhere in the world, as if hard drives werenât already much larger and inexpensive already, and most people never had enough on them to even use a fraction, and for phones thumb drives and portable drives never stopped anyone from taking one with them all over the world! I still donât use any of it nor any online services other than to buy stuff, and with burner accounts⌠so just by using smart and wise practices, just like I did all the way back to when home computing was in itâs infancy with my 386, and then Macintosh Lisa⌠12k modems and what not! When I got my first 28 K modem it was considered âWicked fastâ 
I was far too adrenal to use a nicer word like âvagueâ or âgeneric.â Thought the About Us blurb needed more individuality.
Hope you are successful spreading the word to persons who believe there is only one browser on their phone or computer that they are allowed to use, and wake them up to their choices.
Adrenal not even a nice word unless being used by a health care professional to describe why an infection or something adjacent to one or both of their kidneys is not going to kill them, nor be a thing they will have to deal with for long, but otherwise you also used a word in a way that is linguistically invalid, and many wouldnât even know as a word and have to look it up for clarification and find that it doesnât even make sense the way you used it, and not helping but hindering communication.
When something is fact and true, no need to put it in a nice way because if factual, it just is what it is so if anyone gets offended than itâs a them thing, not a you thing plain and simple.
You really have a way with words, and even language in general, because I didnât really speak of the choice or workarounds to to have them at all, but the underlying fact that it just part of the fact of big tech not only using tech to work with their tech, but in very nefarious ways and not to users best interest, and in trying to gain authoritarian control over Standards in tech they do not own, and the internet and WWW they also donât own and even had nothing to do with in creating, nor is so far for sale or an authoritarian dictator for governing it wanted,nor being sought! I didnât even know about browser incompatibilities or workarounds as too the platforms mentioned as I have Linux on all my computing devices except for my Samsung phone with googles Android Oreo which I have Firefox installed in via Fdroid, and still vary rarely use, like not in years and only once or twice since I got it, for the very same reasons, and because why squint at a phone with an OS that is much more risky to use for anything, including phone calls, when I can view it on my 4k or 1440p wide screen much more comfortably and with a much more secure Arch Linux Endeavour OS?
Something tells me you can do much better, you just need to think more and do less of whatever it is you are doing making it difficult for communication, and that is not an attack on your person (Ad hominem) but me doing what I do well: educating on subjects I am well versed in or well understanding of, and truly concerned about in every day interactions with others and as said before, it is what it is, not what many may in error take it to be, and why I am doing it in the first place and where I do it most too.
of course I could do better but this is not my cross to bear, itâs yours. I have my own sacred cows and campaigns. So good luck, again, with your mission. I would love these companies to come with bootup disclaimers that tconsumers are free to use a variety of browsers.
I got my a** handed to me at the beginning of this thread because I could not believe The Uneducated About Being Free To Use Other Browers people existed in such a high number to justify this exertion. I have since revised my view.
Thanks for showing me correct.
Again you are missing the point, and mine completely, and have been all along and why you had your a** handed to you which it wasnât, it was someone telling you you are missing the point! So yeah it is your cross to bear, because you may read, but in the âRead AND understandâ department you are not doing the latter, and using cryptic words doesnât , and your misunderstanding everything even less!
I give up. 
Letâs not argue. It can only develop into a flame war.
Now both of you go to your rooms and think about what you have done.
It sounds like we are a married couple 