Apple is moving from Intel to ARM

I think there are a lot of reasons why Apple is moving to ARM over Intel. First of all i don’t think Intel has much innovation lately. It seems there only Interest has been trying to beat out AMD. Like Microsoft that saw Linux as a Cancer they have for years tried to push AMD out of the market. I think this is a good move for Apple but time will tell. There are a lot of other factors currently that are affecting the market. Well see. I don’t have to try to convince anyone of any opinion. I have my own feelings about it having watched these companies for years from their early days when they all started.

I don’t think innovation from Intel really has anything to do with it. While they have been pretty stagnant for a while they have good performance, efficiency, and support.

I wouldstake my life on it being 99.9% about controlling their entire ecosystem. It fits their actions and general MO over the past decade or more.

I don’t disagree with you. I’m just pointing out that i don’t think Intel has done anything innovative lately. It does matter in the long run maybe not currently for the reason that Apple is making a switch. I do agree that it is about controlling all facets of the manufacturing process, etc etc… This has been in the works for quite sometime. I did read that the new IMacs will not have boot camp and will not run virtualization so no installing Windows 10. The thing that I’m hearing that i don’t like is how the new MacOS is going to be more like the Ipad and IOS. :nauseated_face:

Not that it will impact me at all, but I’m curious what this will do to the hackintosh community. It’s not a huge group I know, but I’m sure Apple would love a move that would shut it down, in addition to being good for business in other ways (complete control of manufacturing, repair, etc, etc as already mentioned).

I think Intel just throught they had everyone so monstrously outclassed they never expected AMD and ARM to come out swinging hard. Intel will lag a bit but if the Core series release around 05 is anything to go by that won’t last long.

I didn’t hear about the no virtualization, that’s unfortunate. Boot Camp removal makes sense, can’t let people escape OSX/iOS ever. I also don’t doubt it’ll be more iOS like, they share a lot already and if anyone could pull off what Microsoft couldn’t it’d be Apple. Microsoft tried that but Apple has a user base less likely to vomit vitriol and have horrid backlash against their attempt.

It’s a question of how much knowledge Apple has for this project.

If Intel is capable of innovation, why is Apple giving up on it?

Parallels can be an alternative, true only in software virtualization. What I’m still wondering is how ARM processors will perform on iMacs.

I have faith in ARM and i think part of the reason Apple was looking to change from Intel is “also” because of many problems related to some of the Intel Processors.

Hopefully, in the new era, Apple will have a good hardware development team. Perhaps what was lacking in the Intel era is what Apple has the great advantage over all vendors of having everything in one hand.

I’ve already answered that question 2-3 times, just asking it differently won’t change the why.

Product Control

Their CPU design isn’t even in question, Apple designs good CPUs. One can only hope they add some good talent to motherboard and other aspects of the system because right now the rest is just bad minus the screen and looks to be designed to kill itself.

They’ll perform as well as Apple designs them to. ARM performance can be very good its just been relegated to low power designs historically skewing people to believe ARM can’t be high performance.

@Echoa
No one is questioning the ARM design. ARM designs processors. There were problems with some of the Intel processors. That’s what i know and i’m just saying it’s also a factor. Whether it’s 1% or 30% or what ever it’s still part of the equation. It really doesn’t matter. Intel has struggled to do 10 nm. I for one do not like their low power CPU’s. Most of them are too low base frequency for me. I’ll stick with AMD right now.

I think Parallels it will be!

Isn’t ARM just an instruction set that anyone who licenses it can create their own processor? And apple sees it as a path to profit?

Yes and No, ARM offers 2 different license types. There is ISA and ISA+ core design

Apple licenses the ISA and designs an ARM ISA compatible CPU much like Qualcomm. ARM has little involvement in Apple CPU design

There is already Geekbench scores from Developer Kit:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=eperm-d995af6e2ef02771

Few interesting things: These are run through Rosetta2 emulation so the two year old chip can beat Surface Pro X which runs the benchmark natively:

I’d be incredibly skeptical of rumors, those lead to disappointment like how everyone thought Navi would be 2080ti levels but nope.

well yeah, these “scores” don’t really tell anything but it’s still a sign that even “without trying” they have very capable chips already and they are not even the real “desktop chips” that are coming.