Abiword weird behavior and bugs

[VIKINGS]

Hello World,

I quite like Abiword for it’s simplicity and how close it is to wordpad and I’d really like to keep using it, but I definitely need to fix it first.

The 2 main issues are:

1. Often times when I try to open a text document abiword will look like it’s launching for a split second, but it actually crashes and creates an extra file same name as the original but with the added termination .saved. Normally I just delete the .saved file and try to open the original again, usually works on the second try.

These created .saved files look identical to the original if I open them with abiword or even Libre(although they are significantly bigger in size), but if I open them with Kate on the other hand I notice they contain a bunch of extra stuff, here’s some pics, first the original opened with abi then with kate, and then the clone first with abi then with kate:

2. Second issue, as you may have noticed from the contents of the test file, after a couple of days of abi working normally(apart from issue 1, that was present from the start) since the last couple of days I seem to have lost the ability to save text formatting changes…

I will edit a text file(or create one from scratch, doesn’t matter) make some changes like bold, italics, colors, etc. it looks good, I close it, it ask me if I wanna save, I click yes, abi shuts down normally but it doesn’t save those changes. If I add/delete some text that does get saved, but the extra formatting stuff doesn’t…

Thing’s I’ve tried:

1. Installed libawb just in case it’s needed.
2. Uninstalled the regular version of abiword(3.0.5-5 from the extra repository) and installed the flatpak, same behavior.
3. Checked google to see if abiword has a debug mode so I can provide more info, couldn’t find anything like that.
(By debug mode I mean, for example, if you launch Lutris from the console with lutris -d the console will start loging all kinds of stuff so you can maybe/hopefully figure out what is wrong.)
4. Obviously googled to see if anyone else had these issues, either I entered the wrong search terms or I am alone, in any case I couldn’t find anything similar.

So… I’m open to suggestions, help pretty please?

Thank you.

[winnyace]

@VIKINGS

1. Often times when I try to open a text document abiword will look like it’s launching for a split second, but it actually crashes and creates an extra file same name as the original but with the added termination .saved. Normally I just delete the .saved file and try to open the original again, usually works on the second try.

These created .saved files look identical to the original if I open them with abiword or even Libre(although they are significantly bigger in size), but if I open them with Kate on the other hand I notice they contain a bunch of extra stuff, here’s some pics, first the original opened with abi then with kate, and then the clone first with abi then with kate

AbiWord is a word processor. Kate is a text editor.

A word processor is a piece of software or hardware, designed to allow easy access to the user, to arrange text in a myriad of complex ways. It isn’t really designed to edit simple .txt files, even though it can.

A text editor is a piece of software, designed to allow easy access to the user, to edit, or at least view, any text document on their system. Its purpose is much more simple. It likely doesn’t have many features and some are designed to be as simple and light-weight as possible, while others are designed to be as feature-full as possible.

While Kate is a powerful text editor, its purpose isn’t to edit rich text documents, like how AbiWord or LibreOffice Writer or Microsoft Word or Wordpad from Windows are designed to do. AbiWord probably automatically generates a new file based on the .txt you opened in it in order to give the ability to create a rich text document from the simple .txt file.

[VIKINGS]

Yes thank you, I know, I learned that back when I made a topic wondering why Kate can’t do basic stuff like bold and such, which is where I was recommended I try Abiword.

Maybe I"m not explaining it right, sorry, the only reason I even mentioned Kate is because I could see there was a difference in size between the original file and the .saved one but when opening them with various programs only Kate showed any differences(the extra stuff in the pic) in the other programs they looked the same.

But everything else is done with Abiword, in other words I am not creating a text file with Kate(or any other progam) and then trying to edit and change it with Abi, or vice versa. I’ve only been using abi since then, I create it with abi, try to edit it with abi, and the results are those described in the main post.

P.S. And abi is set as the default program for text files in system settings, forgot to mention that, so really it should function properly. No?

[smokey]

Just a guess and not a solution but the .saved file could be like .xcf files in GIMP. So basically what I’m guessing the .saved is unprocessed and it takes this step before it actually saves as the correct extension to make sure you don’t loose your work incase of something like this.
Have you checked if there are any bug reports anywhere related to the same behaviour?
EDIT (sorry just read you searched for this)

[VIKINGS]

Could it be? Maybe, who knows, I’ve never used Gimp in my life so I can’t comment on that…

[smokey]

@VIKINGS

abiword

Yer, I’m only guessing myself as I’ve never used abiword.
Have you tried opening it from the terminal and maybe check what output it gives while you are saving it

[VIKINGS]

If I launch it with the console the behavior is the same, here is the output:

[vikings@VIKINGSKINGDOM ~]$ abiword

(abiword:17185): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 17:16:41.613: gtk_render_background: assertion 'GTK_IS_STYLE_CONTEXT (context)' failed

(abiword:17185): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 17:16:41.613: gtk_render_frame: assertion 'GTK_IS_STYLE_CONTEXT (context)' failed

(abiword:17185): Gdk-WARNING **: 17:16:43.157: ../gtk/gdk/wayland/gdkcursor-wayland.c:243 cursor image size (40x39) not an integermultiple of scale (2)
Gdk-Message: 17:17:02.261: Unable to load exchange from the cursor theme
[vikings@VIKINGSKINGDOM ~]$ 

[xircon]

The reason a text file is smaller than a “word processor” file is the wp file contains embedded formatting instructions.

For example:
Text file:

This is bold

WP file:

<bold>this is bold</bold>

Just a simple example ( and totally made up! the instructions may be control characters and appear as weird symbols).

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[vazicebon]

@smokey

Just a guess and not a solution but the .saved file could be like .xcf files in GIMP.

I had to use Abiword years ago, and yes, it has its own format, .abw.

[smokey]

Thought it might, and the .saved is probably what it uses (another guess) for when you use undo and make edits to the file so you can undo/redo etc

[VIKINGS]

@xircon

The above is an MS Word document that says “This is bold” in bold…

Woow, that is frightful but interesting.
Sadly it doesn’t explain what’s wrong with my abiword or how I should go about fixing it.

@vazicebon

@smokey

Just a guess and not a solution but the .saved file could be like .xcf files in GIMP.

I had to use Abiword years ago, and yes, it has its own format, .abw.

I didn’t bother with it’s format, I just use .txt and it seems it can’t even handle that…

@smokey

Thought it might, and the .saved is probably what it uses (another guess) for when you use undo and make edits to the file so you can undo/redo etc

It shouldn’t, abiword does have an autosave option in it’s settings, but I don’t have it enabled. Or are those 2 different things and I’m confusing them?

[xircon]

Will have a play when I get home, but I mainly use Libreoffice, I do have Abiword installed.

[VIKINGS]

Ok, thank you, no rush. Can’t wait to see what your experince will be.

[smokey]

@VIKINGS

are those 2 different things

I would think they would be different, an example where you can see similar happen is if you open a file in kate and have a look in it’s directory as you make any changes a file will appear which is where it stores this sort of information but kate does also delete it when you close without saving or the moment you save.

[vazicebon]

@VIKINGS

I didn’t bother with it’s format, I just use .txt and it seems it can’t even handle that…

Did you try to select the type of file as in the first capture from here ?

http://thebirdslake.free.fr/Abiword/SunBeach/S_1_0.htm

[thefrog]

@VIKINGS

I just use .txt and it seems it can’t even handle that…

Don’t use abiword nor not sure I ever however you are opening a txt file which is a raw text format is it possible that abiword opens it up in a raw text mode instead of a rich text mode maybe? I don’t remember the exact rich text format extention but I think you may need to save in that format instead of the txt which is a RAW format

[VIKINGS]

@smokey

@VIKINGS

are those 2 different things

I would think they would be different, an example where you can see similar happen is if you open a file in kate and have a look in it’s directory as you make any changes a file will appear which is where it stores this sort of information but kate does also delete it when you close without saving or the moment you save.

Yeah, then it’s totaly different, like I said this .saved file only gets created when abi tries to open something and crashes. When operating “normally” it doesn’t create any extra files.

@vazicebon

Did you try to select the type of file as in the first capture from here ?

http://thebirdslake.free.fr/Abiword/SunBeach/S_1_0.htm

Ok tried following the steps in that article and(while it still suffered from the crashing problem) I managed to create a .abw file that does save my formatting. But any file(abw, txt, doesn’t matter) created in Double Commander or Dolphin by right click>create new file doesn’t save formatting.

So that’s something, but obviously I don’t wanna have to go through all that every time I wanna create a text file… I wanna be able to use it the normal way.

LE: @thefrog really the simple good old .txt is a RAW format in linux?! Anyway, like I said above it’s own .abw doesn’t work eighter unless I follow those specific steps to create it…

LLE: And again I’d like to point out just in case it got burried in the main post that regardless of how .txt files are viewed/treated in linux Adiword did work fine with them for the first few days and was saving my formatting, it just suddenly stopped doing that a couple of days ago. And I don’t understand why, I didn’t change anything…except, maybe, did this start after the last time I updated my system or before? Can’t remember…

[xircon]

Use markdown, like this forum:

Header 1

Header 2

Header 3

• List item
• List item
• List item
  This is bold, This is Italics, This is bold italics

# Header 1
## Header 2
### Header 3
* List item
* List item
* List item
**This is bold**, *This is Italics*, ***This is bold italics***

[ddnn]

This is the issue, I believe.

If you are using rich text in Abiword, but save the file as .txt, then the rich text disappears because you didn’t save the file in a rich text format. This happens with Markdown too.

You must save in a rich text format, or you will not have rich text when the doc is reopened.

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For some reason, saving as .odt doesn’t work properly. Don’t know why. But also, I noticed that Abiword crashes randomly.

Just did a check: when the .odt file is opened in LibreOffice, it shows the text properly. But it does have it in a box for some reason.

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