but seriously, for me, i dont care if systemd or not. My Server is except of Proxmox himself systemd free (all machines devuan).
My Backup Machine (backupf if my main system have any problem, no data) behind my Desk where i sit right now, runs Artix with openrc.
And if im honest, i did notice the “mass exodus” to systemd, and always wondered why, as well as read many wikie entries about what systemd was and what advantages it had, but honestly never understood it. So I understand the discussion from both sides, but the actual discussion not really.
If I now compare, for example, the Artix machine with the Endeavouros machine, the Endeavouros machine can do nothing that the Artix machine can not also and vice versa.
But probably I’m honestly just too stupid to understand this
The problem I have but also with ALSA->Pulseaudio->Pipewire, X->Wayland, “Old AUR Upload mechanism”->New one with Git and certainly with some other things I have forgotten in the meantime
Even though I haven’t touched it for 8 years, the choice of a distro for me has never been done according to religious systemd/non-systemd points of view.
So far everything had worked fine and probably still would. Therefore there was no reason for me to change anything.
But there is a bit more to a good distro today than just having systemdfree branding.
MX uses doesn’t use systemd by default, although they provide an option at login for people to choose it if they so wish. I’ve tried it both ways during the times I’ve installed MX on older machines and couldn’t tell the difference. As a rank-and-file user I don’t care either way, really.
I’ve created an Artix Linux vm to see what it’s all about. I haven’t messed around with it too much yet, but what I have noticed is it is quite tedious. I installed open-vm-tools and had to write some scripts, I need to run in order to start the service. I would probably have to do this for all the daemons and services I use…
One problem with systemd-free distros that are based on distros which use systemd is that the packages that come from upstream expect systemd to be available.
The experience might be better on a distro that is system-free at the top level. For example, void.
as a non-tech newbie that already uses two of these and was considering using the third, I now feel attacked
(on a serious note though, I didn’t take it seriously or as offense or anything, I just wonder what’s the… “lore” behind this comment, like what makes it funny)
Are you referring to BTW? Not sure when or where it started but is used a lot by some Arch users. So it’s kind of passed around a lot. It’s slightly amusing.
nah I was referring to rEFInd, KDE and Firefox (that comment made me think that something was funny about using those but maybe I just took it wrong?..)
Ah, yes, I remember this thread from a year ago! Fun memories, thanks for reminding me!
@ricklinux likes KDE and Firefox, and tells everyone he likes them. But that’s fine, because I like them, too. If I didn’t, I’d probably find that slightly annoying.
I like them too actually haha
I have a meme with my friend that no government or security agency can locate me anymore now that I started using Firefox with privacy extensions
While we’re here, as a follow-up on this thread, I ended up trying out artix with runit and void. Artix turned as a very buggy experience for my part at least and void works great. I was going to use it on my desktop, but I’m not sure how I would get my blackmagic capture card working. I use it for my work stuff in a VM though.
The two topics have made me relax a bit about this. Otherwise I was curious about why there are so many reviews on Distrowatch on the terms of, “I’m looking for a distro without systemd…”
A couple of sites with information like the “no—” one are very good at telling what is wrong with systemd but also don’t care to justify which init system is better in a given point. That’s why I feel I have no other choice, like Audacity for audio editing but anyway…
Some of it is just immaturity. But one review caught my attention, I wish I could point out which distro I saw it under. “A stop job is running (1m / no limit)” suddenly dropping during shutdown, or similar while it cannot find “swap” is very very very very annoying!
However, I could contribute to the fact a couple of distros I checked without systemd have different issues about performance. Void Linux was pretty much the only thing that was efficient with “runit” or anything else non-systemd. I have Slackware 32-bit and regularly lose the touchpad function at log-in. Tested Redcore twice and noticed OpenRC from Gentoo might not have been an improvement if I desired to get into any KDE environment as quickly as I could do now with EndeavourOS. I installed Devuan with “runit” into my slow internal HDD and left it for about a month and… it was pathetic, only to get the same thing as Debian (put username as well as password for log-in, make a change “sudoers.d”, knock out CD/DVD line from “sources.list” etc etc).
I’ve tried Gnuinos, Salix, too much else with XFCE (also Knoppix and a couple of others featuring other D.E.) without a way for the system to recall the screen brightness after it finishes loading the desktop. Even Void failed with this, before they began offering other D.E. All started zapping my eyes with the computer monitor. I became convinced systemd stored a setting for it and automatically set it. The same with touchpad (shrugs).
My try with Devuan was with MATE but I don’t know how they pulled it off…
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