Those who hate it are rarely those who have had to manage several hundred hosts at the same time.
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I like some grub with my Endeavour! 
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I started using Unix when AT&T owned it and System 5 Init was a thing. Didn’t like it then or now. I find Systemd is much easier to understand and use. It took a lot of study to get it but now that I do I can setup my systems so they do what I want, when I want, and in order of dependencies.
I really love the systemd timers and services pair. I’ve converted all my former cron jobs to them.
I’d be a Grey beard if I wore one, but at 73 a beard makes me look 100.
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There was a lot of controversy when Debian started introducing systemd instead of init. The habit is very typical especially with Linux.
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So I am not the only one having done this. 
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I’m a greybeard. and have been computing since 1979, and I welcomed new tech, and systemd, as well as Wayland, and really any new tech that can improve stuff (anything really), and back then when things were not as standardized, most of what we did was try to move the development of new tech forward, not complain about it, because it is to our own benefit, even if it comes with a few quirks and problems at first.
When systemd was just being integrated into distro’s I did hold back, just to make sure my computers keep up and running, and I don’t have to deal with something new and unfamiliar to fix it, but over time seeing it improving and being adopted, add there were already many parts of it I already had because they came with the distro (Antergos and EOS with KDE). Once I understood more about it, and knew it’s not a big deal, and comes with benefits, I looked into systemd-boot, and found it easier to fix than grub, so I made the switch, and have had no problems.
I still have a hard time with all of the related conf. files and folders, for not being used to tehm, but having to mess with conf. files is even rare these days, and I rarely have to go in and make changes.
In general people don’t like change, and it’s not at all generational, but an evolved phenomenon related to being able to know ones territory to better protect it… for which there is far less need these days in modern society, but the phenomenon still remains.
Also, like with anything, who is and who isn’t complaining is a factor, and so is whatever information (good or bad) they are going by. I can imagine users don’t care as much about it than developers for having to work with it.
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I asked the same question to my teacher, and he said systemd is okay, but the dev is idiot.
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I am an old clean shaven “grey beard” (61yrs)
I truly believe the people that hate so much feel out of control and they are control freaks.
Everyone used to listen to them cause they’re the old so-called experts.
Nowadays they are not REALLY needed with multiple Linux community forums containing a literal wealth of information and of course, ChatGPT and other AI platforms.
AND also, some of them are just lazy pricks that don’t wanna learn anything new - therefore DO NOT CHANGE anything.
AND, as you get older you’re brain gets lazy and it is literally harder for you to learn new things.
harder=more people not doing it-that’s just basic human nature
AND, the ones who yell the most are the ones that used to call me stupid, when was just learning Linux, in what little forums were available when I was a teenager (more than 40 years ago) just because I had to ask for help when I was learning?. They are NOT nice people and probably never have been. Hating and spouting intelligence insults at newbies made them feel are big and intelligent when in reality any IQ 90 human can learn everything they now with a bit of persistence. NO, my IQ is over 135 (professionally tested) not extremely high but certainly above average.
I hated them then but, over time I’ve cooled off a bit and I only disregard and ignore them now.
Haters will make us all miserable if we give them a platform.
Let them rant-they’ll all be dead soon.
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Welcome to the forums @MyNameIsNobody , this old not clean shaven grey beard really enjoy systemd as a Linux user of 20 years. I’m sure my IQ of less than 1 ( not professionally tested ) drives me to learn as much as possible.
It’s great that your here and hope to read more post from you. 
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Systemd doesn’t get along with grub so we’re not friends. 
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Linux didn’t exist 40 years ago 
, but I’ve been through the same sh!t when I started, lots of people mocking newbies or answering RTFM. Howtos and manpages were good enough according to many, you’re wondering why Gentoo and Arch people created their wiki. 
Age creep, we all get it, Linux has been around more than 30 years though. I often tell people that something was 2 years ago and they tell me it was 7
Hi a question is Grub better than systemD then ? or what do you recommend ?
Grub and systemd(As used in this context) aren’t related. Grub is a bootloader and systemd is system management software/framework.
Systemd does provide a bootloader called systemd-boot but that is not really what is being discussed here.
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I am 61, and just really understanding quantum physics much better! Started learning about Philosophy on an academic level some 15 years ago for being a natural as to the laws of logic, and critical thinking but at a loss of words to point them out when they have names and similar, and people think I have PhD now! I never saw the inside of a college, but to drop off Wave tech instrumentation and devices like spectrometers I helped build and engineer; with only a bachelors degree as an industrial electrician, to their R&D labs or to service some, and I always learn new things within Linux, keep streamlining my workflow, finding better ways to do things, and learning all sorts! Maybe it’s more of a: Use it or lose it thing!?!?! 
It’s mostly just philosophical, systemd is a monolithic software.
Some old ideology/philosophy tied deeply to a lot of open source software is to 'do one thing, and do it well’.
Systemd does a whole lot of things, and many people took issue with that, though I haven’t often seen them claim that it isn’t doing those things well.
The only reasonable reason for it to be hated on is that being such a huge monolithic piece of software, it’s got a very large attack surface which is bad for security reasons.
Personally I think there were bigger issues back when this drama was the hottest that were bigger, like the fact that pulseaudio was (and has always been) absolute garbage (praise the lord, we have pipewire now, and it’s actually good!).
And I think there are bigger issues now (like important, high contribution developers being kicked off major open source projects by power tripping community managers that weaponize codes of conduct to get rid of people who are actually making the software good for reasons that couldn’t possibly be pure malice and a direct attack on open source software, any more than the recent influx of fake ai generated bug reports could be, surely not.) including the fact that one government somewhere in the world can decide to strong-arm open source projects across the world that weren’t even originally started in that country to scorn their own developers.
But yeah no, I guess systemd is the problem for some people still.
Negative feedback is more prominent than positive feedback. It is just a small group of people but their noise is very visible. There are two main reasons for this:
- people with negative experience or negative attitude are much more likely to publish this.
- negative or controversial topics are pushed by the rating algorithm of social media. They are put on the top of the list because they receive more attention resp. more clicks.
Both points together make you believe that a majority of people is behind all this. But that is not true.
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