What's so intelligent about AI?

Sorry… after droning on a some length about the “I” in AI, I realize that I was dragging a LibreOffice topic off the rails.

I’m moving it here as a Lounge topic instead.

TL;DR: It’s hard to agree or disagree - because we’re talking about the meaning of an adjective in the ever-evolving context of our spoken word.

The long version…

I believe much of the angst over which adjectives we ought to reach for when describing AI stems from the fact that these words entered our lexicon well before any modern technology was introduced. And as such, they come to us with much cultural and emotional baggage.

Adjectives like intelligent, smart, and knowledgeable are descriptions of an inherent internal mental state which we can never observe directly. Instead, we infer them from external behaviors and identifiable work products.

For example, we typically conclude whether a person is intelligent by judging their mastery of language and apparent grasp of what’s going on around them.

From what we can observe externally, we draw inferences about their internal mental capacities. And we then reach for subjective qualitative terms like intelligent, smart and knowledgeable if we are sufficiently impressed. In truth, such terms are about as subjective as words like nice, friendly, helpful. Or pretty, handsome, beautiful.

Even an IQ test produces a metric based entirely on external behaviors (picking answers), not on direct inspection of one’s internal mental processes.

And so today, as LLM advances in mimicking language proficiency (while actually relying upon probability models - not cognition nor consciousness in any human sense), we are drawn to associate their communication “skills” with intelligence… without actually being able to directly observe the algorithmic internal processes.

In fact, even their programmers have lost track of the observable internal details given the scale of their models’ processing power and the complexity of their neural networks. (Alpha GO perfectly illustrates where we now stand on this front.)

So we’re relegated to selecting our adjectives from the limited set which evolved for us to describe intangible human traits… not to accurately characterize what’s going on inside these new electric appliances.

Perhaps if we developed a new set of adjectives, we could more easily draw (less emotionally charged) distinctions between the capacities of humans to those of our new machines.

Of course our tools can do a far better job at certain tasks than humans can. When it comes to math, the abacus proved that millennia ago. For breaking ground on a data center, so does the shovel.

Meanwhile, humans will always prevail at other activities, like lovingly cuddling and nursing a newborn. Or sacrificing our well-being and self interest for those about whom we deeply care.

As a capitalist, I should also note that not being able to use the term “intelligent” to describe AI models would likely undermine their owners’ abilities to raise capital, market their wares to other businesses, and spook the rest of us about the need to get on board before it’s too late.

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This is actually question you will get on your AI diploma presentation in proper university.

Intelligence is an ability to solve non-trivial problems.
There is different kinds of non-trivial problems. But they all can be transformed to optimization problem.
Artificial - made by humans.
So if you have man made machine that can solve some kind of optimization task - this machine poses intelligence.

Hope this is clear :melting_face:

IQ test produces a metric based on comparison.
It is statistical mesure of how good person on solving intellectual tasks in comparison to selected population average.

Not smart or wise or knowledgable, only ability to solve problems.

No. Not really.
Lots of this stuff get properly studied.
Baetson wrote excellent work about intellegence and “learning levels”

  1. ANNs in general and LLMs as subset, is not probability models.
  2. Cognition is actually was really hard to implement in computers. Only recently there was real development in this. 2 leg walking is much much harder task than “thinking”.
  3. Consciousness is still a mistery. But its not so importand. Most! of human population is lacking it. Or experience it on a rare non regular basis.

From atheistic point of view there is no intristic value to human life.
So for atheistic/capitalistic society there is no difference who is doing cuddling loving or killing, dogs cows robots. It must do the task and produce profit.

Huh? Sorry, I lost you on this last odd twist.

Let’s put aside the evolving use of the term intelligence for a moment…

As individuals, neither atheists nor capitalists are any less bound to their morality or values than are their fellow theists and communists. :peace_symbol:

I probably missed some big parts of reasoning.

It is strange to mention here prevealince of humans in cuddling without very special religios assumptions.
Cats cuddle pretty good.
I have pretty intresting video on this regards. Let me look…

That’s a cute video clip.

Of course that toy has all the genuine compassion and intelligence of an electric toothbrush.

Morality and values are pretty different in differen religions groups and individuals.
There is also external and internal morales, althought it will became really complex conversation.

Without very specific religios assumptions - there is nothing special in humans, at all.
No phisical laws that prevents you to find or build something that excells humans in any possible way.
Not to mention the qestion - why it is even so important to specifically beat humans in humans unimportant meaningless activities.
Lets say for super intelligence it is much more reasonable to wipe out humans rather to try beat tbem in stupid competitions.

You taking value of human life for granted, but it is not universal principle even inside human groups.

Probably. But it does cuddling.
How genuine it is - its another quantity, what we need for it to be genuine and why it needs to be so?
So the question here not in ability to do something. But “why” make something that does the thing.

I think everyone’s falling for the old magician’s trick: Look at this hand while the other hand does the real work.

So we are asked to look at the hand that makes all the press, does all the fancy stuff, and builds all the hype. Meanwhile the other hand is lifting the wallets of millions of investors and millions of their customers.

Maybe that does magicians a disservice. Perhaps three-card monte is closer to the mark.

In other words, the smartest way to make a fast buck ever invented.

Well put.

People are giving it more money then what they will ever give to me or you so there is that.

Yes, send money to Kira :orange_heart:

Its not me who has it.

Ancient people was not stupid, and they believed that everything can feel think and poses some kind of soul. Like river was alive and even can be communicated with.

Then there was lots of things, and not so recently this popular believe riced that there is some clear separation between alive and not alive thing, believe that humans somehow so unic, so important, that everything need to be classified strictly on what is made or caused by humans activity and what is not.
Believe that somehow intelligence reasoning consciousness is strictly humans properties.
But it is just uneducated misconception amplified by religion.
It is totally not obvious concept. And today more result of loosing initial meaning of concepts.
Obvious concept - even rock is somehow alive. But you need to live in contact with reality to understand it, not in big city modern society stuff.

The word **intelligence** derives from the Latin nouns **intelligentia** or **intellēctus**, which stem from the verb **intelligere** (to comprehend or perceive). This verb is a compound of **inter** ("between") and **legere** ("to read, gather, or choose"), originally implying the act of **reading between things** or discerning hidden aspects of reality.

It is not something new. like the the word has its modern meaning at-leas for few thousands of years.

There is not much of evolution happening here.

What is really happening in 2026 - people who has no idea what intelligence is, suddenly discovered that AI exist, and AI itself became marketing term, mainly for LLMs.