Tor-unfriendliness

You’re running away from the answers.
If you can’t adequately react, admit or answer - that’s on you.
Moreover, if you allow yourself to groundlessly through phrases such as “bitching and moaning”, pointing on some attitude of mine or signaling me on the way out, along with arrogant tone of yours - that is also on you.

I’m sure this won’t lead to you answering prev questions to discuss the matter, so let’s just cut it here.

This is not up to me and I certainly don’t want to speak for anyone else, but these are a few reasons I can think of:

  • CAPTCHAs are less effective at stopping spam accounts than using the database, even in the case of automated bot accounts. They literally train ML models on CAPTCHA tests.
  • CAPTCHAs can be buggy or broken. Have you ever been trapped in a CAPTCHA loop? And you keep picking all the traffic lights or whatever, but you still don’t pass and keep getting the CAPTCHA over and over? It’s awful.
  • CAPTCHAs are bad UX. They are frustrating, they slow down the login process, and they have accessibility issues.

Everyone hates CAPTCHAs. Not everyone hates EndeavourOS. Coincidence? :face_with_monocle:

The occasional inconvenience of a user needing to send a message when they first create their account because they were flagged by the stop spam database seems like a non-issue to me. Perhaps if you saw how many spam accounts get blocked automatically with no effort needed from the relatively small mod team you would agree.

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Exactly. I hate CAPTCHAS. :wink:

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I tried to google what discourse have to say about spam and captchas and honestly, was very surprised.
If I got this right, they use rate limiter by IP as a counter measure for spam and don’t have any plugins otherwise, unless for profit or something.
This is known from dinosaurs age as very bad strategy fighting spam, as it blocks many users along the way too.
Blocking like that is kinda disproportional, don’t you think?

The points you made are valid, but I think you’re talking about some specific-kind of captchas, like google-kind of type? That you need to pick some pictures and click here and there etc?
They don’t have to be like that.
In fact, once used widely, a simple honeypot did a 99% of the job.
And this don’t have to be on the login, but only on the signup process.
Also, I guess forum is not the only thing a spammer can spam, you know. Email is an option too.
It’s like going to the ring and being afraid to get punched.

Btw, I’m very stubborn and even I thought of emailing only as “what the hell, let’s shoot it, maybe that would fly”.

The mods at our Telegram group will be more able to explain why that isn’t the case actually.

Telegram doesn’t have good moderation tools built in and the only way to go about it is to use external bots for the purpose. Yes, our Telegram group has a one time captcha verification, that shows you an image with numbers which you type out before joining the group.

Does that help us? Barely. I still manage to see a lot of users who post about crypto scams and stuff. I’m among the lesser active mods, yet, I end up deleting a few such posts and removing offending users every day that I’m online. Captcha really isn’t a “solution” now. Text captcha are easily readable by open source image models and image captchas are getting ridiculously difficult.

We use a bot on Telegram that automatically removes messages containing certain keywords normally seen in spam messages. It does have a false positive rate, but the users understand and cooperate since end of day, its used to keep their discussion place clean.

The forum is far more secured in this regard and I should applause the forum software for that. Its not like we don’t get spam sign ups. The reality is that the automatic forum tools do a great job filtering out spam behaviour.

However, unlike most social media applications out there which turn a blind eye to their users, this forum does in fact answer the user.

You made a post highlighting a real issue. The second comment within an hour and half was by a forum mod explaining your query. Another forum mod joined the conversation too. I doubt if you’re gonna find this much of a prompt response at other places.

Spam on email affects only one person at a time. In fact, most email service providers too have auto spam filtering built in and a spam email is likely to not even being read by the recipient.

In contrast, spamming the forum means hundreds of users being able to see the spam post, potentially interact with whatever scam the user is running and a notification email sent to every user who has the feature enabled.

Absolutely. The forum software isn’t friendly with Tor by default. Mods can always be contacted to unblock your account. I don’t see anything wrong with that approach. At worst, this is a one time hassle.

Hypothetically, by disabling this autoblocking, the software might reduce its false positives, but it’ll also open up to a lot more spam directed here. Quoting what BluishHumility already said above:

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Appreciate your time and effort, but I think I won’t comment on things I don’t agree with, as it clearly doesn’t seem to have an understanding on the other side and activates some defensive mechanisms.

That being said, this:

Sums it up.

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