To Pamac or Not to Pamac.....that is the question

what do you do with gnome-packagekit set by default in mate

A general information about GUI package manager could be a solution…

Insulting? Because I chose your arguments were not true anymore?

AUR maintainers can disappear, I won’t say the opposite. But AUR is stronger than any other third party repository because it is managed by Trusted Users.

If you took 30 seconds to search for both Pace and the other one I don’t remember, I won’t have to show you were wrong.

Opinion are not facts. Do not mix them.

Fact will never change, opinions are subject to change. That’s all I have to add here.

Before I write something here, I checked every link and every infomation I have.

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You are free to disagree but again, there is nothing insulting or rude against You personally.

The fact you insisted with third deposit RebornOS on EndeavourOS forum made the discussion on stronger reaction which is natural ! @woodrowwsmith come back with us, you will see that this Community is more friendly than you think.

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And this is friendly?

I’m done.

So am I.

@Bryanpwo, @joekamprad and others moderators / developers : I think I’ll take some days off.

Seeing you in a few days.

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To Pamac or Not to Pamac……that is the question

this title itself is implementing a discussion with some passion… civil but passionated and may also a bit rude thats o.k. thats the lounge but do not get personal if you do not discuss in real person eye to eye!

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On the systems that I use Arch I always install pamac. Sometimes I don’t know the exact name of a program I want to install and having the ability to search by similar programs can be quite helpful.

Personally, I have no issue installing pamac, but for people newer to Arch it may be helpful.

This new article may give some tips (and useful links) on the package management in EndeavourOS:
https://endeavouros.com/docs/pacman/package-management-in-endeavouros/
:smile:

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Exactly. It is a very handy search engine.

I have destroyed several Arch based distros by copy/pasting stuff I found on the web into the command line in an effort to install something similar to Synaptic. Some of the information was outdated and some was just wrong. In the end I just deleted everything and moved on.

Bingo. Pamac is the best Arch software discovery tool out there. It has software categories so you can browse for similar software, icons for when you visually recognize something and don’t remember its name, etc. The Arch wiki is fine for when you know what you are looking for and can search for it. It’s not so good when you don’t know what you are looking for. Certainly there are valid reasons some people have to not use it for installs, to not install it by default, etc. But for software discovery for those not very familiar with the Arch ecosystem, there really isn’t anything that compares to it.

PS. While looking for Pamac alternatives, I came across a yay alternative called pikaur. I’ve been playing around with it as this discussion has progressed. I like it because it ask questions about installs upfront, rather than pausing in the middle of screen of text asking you a question and halting hte install like yay does. So far I have had no problems with it but I am wondering if the brain trust here has used it and what their opinion is of pikaur.

pamac is not a arch discovery tool :slight_smile: if you only want to use browsing, pkgbrowser-qt5 from aur is a excellent tool too peak on repo and aur.

current i experiment with pakku and pakky-gui…(pakku-gui typo)

butn on topic, pamac is a packahe manager , it is not a helper or a python script ; its a cli / gui frontend for libalpm

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I used pakku for a while and really liked it. I never heard of pakky-gui I’ll have to have a look. Thank you for mentioning it. :grinning:

it was pakku-gui :slight_smile: was a typo sorry, is just you look somewhere and give package in more isn’t not really a gui that browse

pkgbrowser does not include icons, nor does it categorize packages by purpose (office apps, video and photo editing, systems tools), which limits it ability to be use for discovery of things you don’t know you are looking for yet… pkgbrowser is a nice program, but it essentially just displays the same info as the arch wiki (or the pacman text info), in a nice little screen on your machine, which admittedly I like better than the ArchWiki. PAMAC was not designed to be a software discovery tool, it is indeed a package manager, but it seems to be the best software discovery tool out there for Arch flavored GNU/linux despite that not being its primary purpose. But a lot of us USE Pamac as a software discovery tool, rather than a package manager, because people don’t trust it as much as Pacman for installs, updates, etc. That was what I was trying to communicate . I personally alternate between Pamac, yay, and Octopi in order to continually experiment with different tools. I like them all.

i dont look for icons :slight_smile: after all :slight_smile: just what i can find, pamac is more a software center

Yeah I’ve used octopi for a long time because pamac was not working so great. But octopi is much slower to search AUR. Anyway, I discovered the pamac version I was using was no longer maintained, so that’s why it was misbehaving. I switched back to pamac these days and it works flawlessly even for installing packages and system updates. I still do some yay search for packages sometimes when I know part of the name of the package I’m looking for.

I’ve read a long rant/reddit of some guy comparing all still maintained aur helpers (by looking into their source and mecanics) and trizen was in his opinion the safest of them all. I have used it for a while but I find yay a bit faster and friendlier on the eyes (i.e. its verbosity makes more sense than trizen’s).