# State of the Budgie: 2024 In Review and Goals for 2025 **URL:** \ **Category:** Budgie\ **Created:** [January 7, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826 "2025-01-07T20:02:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![r0ckhopper](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/r0ckhopper/32/51768_2.png) [@r0ckhopper](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/r0ckhopper)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/1 "2025-01-07T20:02:14Z")
@JoshStrobl has posted a detailed update on the work carried out on Budgie in 2024, and the roadmap for 2025. > **[State of the Budgie: 2024 In Review and Goals for 2025](https://buddiesofbudgie.org/blog/state-of-the-budgie-2024)** > > 2024 was a pivotal year for Budgie Desktop, with our Budgie 10.9 release series and our focus on our move to Wayland. Time to dive into our State of the Budgie to recap our efforts in 2024 and the goals for 2025. Budgie 10.10 is planned to ship within Q1 2025 (Jan-Mar), and will be Wayland **only**. ---
**Author:** ![dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dbarronoss)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/2 "2025-01-07T20:27:59Z")
I ran Budgie for about six months some years ago, but I feel that ship (at least for me) has been drifted past and it’s now relegated to being beached on a gravel bed left behind in the current never to launch again. ---
**Author:** ![moxdrox](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/moxdrox/32/87725_2.png) [@moxdrox](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/moxdrox)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/3 "2025-01-07T20:43:14Z")
I’m running Budgie since i installed EndeavourOS (a year ago) It’s very simple but i like it. Now i have to find out how to switch from X11 to Wayland 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/drunkenvicar/32/112222_2.png) [@drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/drunkenvicar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/4 "2025-01-07T20:47:55Z")
Josh is working his ass off on the Wayland conversion, he has daily blog posts about it. He won’t be offering an X11 option when Wayland Budgie rolls out. Solus Budgie has rocked my world for a long time, I love the DE. (Question to self I will try to answer another time: isn’t Strobl’s FedoraSpin already Wayland?). Anywho’s thanks for posting this. ---
**Author:** ![roiter](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@roiter](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/roiter)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/5 "2025-01-08T18:48:54Z")
I’m running Budgie and actually like X11. X11 is still faster for gaming and it appears to have way less bugs than Wayland (that’s even going through posts on this forum). I personally don’t feel Wayland is stable enough for me yet despite there seems to be a mad rush to switch to it. Guess I’ll be moving from Budgie then 😢 ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/6 "2025-01-08T18:53:21Z")
> [@moxdrox](#): > > Now i have to find out how to switch from X11 to Wayland Since the newer version is only supporting Wayland, it should happen automatically when your updates happen. Of course, this is after the eventual release. ---
**Author:** ![unixmachine](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/unixmachine/32/106382_2.png) [@unixmachine](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/unixmachine)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 8:46pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/7 "2025-01-09T20:46:49Z")
I thought they were rewriting Budgie in EFL (Enlightenment), but now I see that they are going to use QT. ---
**Author:** ![dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dbarronoss)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/8 "2025-01-09T20:49:45Z")
Yeah, they are a bit wishy/washy. ---
**Author:** ![drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/drunkenvicar/32/112222_2.png) [@drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/drunkenvicar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/9 "2025-01-09T21:01:51Z")
> [@roiter](#): > > I personally don’t feel Wayland is stable enough for me yet despite there seems to be a mad rush to switch to it. Guess I’ll be moving from Budgie then my identical dilemma and I could have wrote every word here except moving. I’m going to try to stay open-minded but dam\* I never hear anything positive about it. I wonder if some community in the future would preserve and make X11 updates for Budgie? One can dream I guess. ---
**Author:** ![dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dbarronoss)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/10 "2025-01-09T21:32:58Z")
I feel that it will never move unless we make people move. Otherwise, it would stay on the back burner mostly forever (as it had in the past). Bear in mind X11 is almost older than me. It was built slap dash bits and pieces in the stone age. ---
**Author:** ![drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/drunkenvicar/32/112222_2.png) [@drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/drunkenvicar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/11 "2025-01-09T21:36:15Z")
> [@dbarronoss](#): > > Bear in mind X11 is almost older than me. It was built slap dash bits and pieces in the stone age. all true. but X11 is mostly flawless, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dbarronoss)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 9:40pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/12 "2025-01-09T21:40:27Z")
Umm no… ---
**Author:** ![drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/drunkenvicar/32/112222_2.png) [@drunkenvicar](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/drunkenvicar)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 9:45pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/13 "2025-01-09T21:45:53Z")
Yeah some annoyances for sure ---
**Author:** ![roiter](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/bc8723/32.png) [@roiter](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/roiter)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:52am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/14 "2025-01-10T06:52:46Z")
> [@dbarronoss](#): > > I feel that it will never move unless we make people move. Otherwise, it would stay on the back burner mostly forever (as it had in the past). > Bear in mind X11 is almost older than me. It was built slap dash bits and pieces in the stone age. Why is it up to ‘other people’ to tell me what I can and can’t use, not very GNU is it? You know Wayland is over 16 years old, right? We’d also all better stop using Ethernet on that premise as it’s older than X11, and has many flaws (mainly that it is CSMD and the whole world relies on random number generators and technically the entire Internet could theoretically just stop working at any point in time). And there are/were way better alternatives available. ---
**Author:** ![dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@dbarronoss](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dbarronoss)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:54am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/state-of-the-budgie-2024-in-review-and-goals-for-2025/65826/15 "2025-01-10T06:54:30Z")
Yes, I’m well aware. I did my master’s on efficiencies in revamping network protocols. 🙂 And you’re welcome to do whatever you want, just that the industry is going to pivot into more efficient paths.