Ryzen 7000..Good Performance, Poor Value

Ryzen 7000 is showing a 25% performance increase over 5000 series. While this is good, the cost of the platform with motherboards/DDR5/Cooler cost and the near doubled power consumption (67w->116W 5600x->7600x) the value just isnt there.

Unless you have a old system and arent getting the performance you need, you should probably skip 7000 series and avoid the early adopter tax/power consumption.

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pcworld also did a good review about it:

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i felt theirs was not as extensive and a bit narrow, still good info though

The value just isnt there right now with Ryzen 7000 and the board designs for them are looking pretty rough compared to 3000/5000 which had some of the best boards we’ve seen in a long time.

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@mcury just as an example, these boards are around 600$ and dont have basic features like debug LEDs…on a 600$ board lol

This board, here has fewer features than my x470 Aorus gaming 7 (this one may not be 600$ idk for sure but its between 300-600$ with current info and my x470 was 200$)

If the x series don’t have it, the b series won’t have it either…

This eco mode seems to be a must for this gen, 70C with it enabled with only 10% performance drop in benchmarks, but almost unnoticeable in games.
With it disabled, you get around 95C with an 360mm AIO…

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I am just getting into Ryzen, I literally know nothing… Will need to read, but what does the series number stand for, is it generational or more like improvement of power and cores? Like Ryzen 5 are these all 5000, where does Ryzen 9 fit into this? 9000? Thought 6000 series was the highest until 7000. Any good link is appreciated.

Ryzen 5/7/9 is like core i3/i5/i7/i9 its just the division of how many cores.

5000/7000 series is like how intel has the 10900k and 12900k which are different generations

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Ok so if I can afford, Ryzen 7 or 9!

you need to also factor in a 300-600$ motherboard, 100-200$+ for ram depending on how much you need, and at least 100$ if not more for the cooler if you are looking at ryzen 7000

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@Zircon34 this is basically the minimum for Ryzen 9 7000 series for cooling

The 7600x seems to be a nice CPU for gamers. You could use it with an air cooler, enable ECO mode, get a good EXPO memory… Use the iGPU for a while…

its terrible value when you consider the i5 exists, gets 90% the performance with a better encoder on the igpu, can use DDR4 ram and a less expensive motherboard with the CPU being 30$ less.

The i5 12600 system is several hundred dollars cheaper for 90% the performance with the CPU costing 85% the price of the 7600x

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Ok :dizzy_face: that’s pretty bad a…!

for enthusiast systems its not that bizarre but still the 7950x for example requires some pretty extensive cooling. If youre just getting into Ryzen i would hesitate on jumping in on a brand new platform, I dont want to say get Ryzen 5000 because 7000 is good, but its also not in a stable place yet, has higher cost, and may sour you on a good line of CPUs.

If you can i would wait a bit

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3 fan water cooling isn’t really better than 2, they just “tank” more initially but finish at the same temp :slight_smile:

For now it’s pricy but not for ever, ddr5 price will continue to drop and motherboard too. Like always people who want to get the new precious will buy it for more ! This is why youtubers make me laugh when they think most people can’t wait to upgrade. Still using my 2011 desktop … :smile:

They have done a better version, way to go i guess.

depends on the radiator thickness and the total cooling volume between the 2 AIOs, not always true but not always false.

This is why at the moment, Ryzen 7000 is terrible value all things considered. In time the next generation or even 7000 series will be more attractive but right now its just not a good plan. The high end is always poor value so its hard to be too rough with the 7950x, but the 7600x right now is a hard pass for anyone sensible.

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Currently running an Ryzen 7700X on an Asus TUF Gaming X670E-Plus combined with G.Skill 2x16GB DDR5-6000MHz EXPO RAM.

AMD ECO Mode is active in BIOS, fan curve is tuned, and the system is staying really cool and quiet while giving really nice performance and a low power consumption (had a Ryzen 2700X before, that consumed more power and generated more heat and had a lot less performance …)

Yes, it is more expensive compared to past generations, but an Intel 13000 series upgrade with a board with the same features and a CPU with similar performance would have meant spending 100€ more - but would also mean having more heat and a lot more power consumption that would make it even more expensive on the long run.

Personally, I couldn’t be happier with my choice. And with the current trend, prices won’t drop much, even for further generations.

Edit: My cooling solution: https://geizhals.eu/alpenfoehn-brocken-3-84000000140-a1675194.html
had the mk2 before, cools very efficiently for a decent price tag and can cool up to 220W TDP

very interesting, im planning on building a similar system. are u using the 65w or 80w eco mode? or are u using the thermal limit thing? (see https://overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2022/11/03130955318l.jpg )
what are the temps like under load, and what frequencies are you getting?

Keep in mind the Watts in Eco mode = \ = power draw. TDP is a silly number in regards to AMD that they reverse engineered to match Intel’s tdp # as best they could.

That said, Eco mode on ryzen 7000 is best when using the setting just below stock for your CPU. Going too low murders performance but just slightly lower you get decent performance still.

Ryzen 7000 will always target 95c unless you power throttle it, then it’ll simply depend on your cooling solution what temps

allright steve :wink:

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