# Question for the developers about Pantheon DE **URL:** \ **Category:** EndeavourOS development\ **Created:** [October 29, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270 "2023-10-29T19:13:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/1 "2023-10-29T19:13:58Z")
Hi, Ever since I discovered EndeavourOS, I must say that I am in love with the Arch base and prefer to use it exclusively… BUT, I have a small confession to make about a predicament I am in. I am equally in LOVE with the Pantheon DE and cannot understand how this awesome distro has practically every DE except the eye candy gorgeous Pantheon? For me, Pantheon makes Gnome look like a joke. So what gives? I am ignorant to how things work behind the scenes, which is why I am making this post asking questions. I did read somewhere else that Pantheon is not as functional on Arch, I wonder to myself cant that be addressed by the Endeavour developers? I thought anything is possible with software? Right now I have a dual boot going with ElementaryOS specifically to enjoy the Pantheon DE, but I really would prefer not to use ElementaryOS at all. I am not a fan of ubuntu/debian base. So my question is: #1. What are the odds of Pantheon making it to EndeavourOS as a supported DE? #2. If the answer above is zero, can I install Pantheon on EndeavourOS as a DE and if so, how? Would it run as reliably as it does on ElementaryOS or would it be a frustrating experience? ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/2 "2023-10-29T19:31:11Z")
> [@Kundalini](#): > > #1. What are the odds of Pantheon making it to EndeavourOS as a supported DE? Pantheon has historically been unreliable on Arch-based distros because it doesn’t target such a rapidly moving base. I think we would want to see both consistent reliability and significant demand before even considering if it should/could be added. > [@Kundalini](#): > > can I install Pantheon on EndeavourOS as a DE Yes. > [@Kundalini](#): > > and if so, how? [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pantheon](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pantheon) ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/3 "2023-10-29T19:34:30Z")
Can’t the unreliability be addressed by the Endeavour devs? ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/4 "2023-10-29T19:37:33Z")
> [@Kundalini](#): > > Can’t the unreliability be addressed by the Endeavour devs? That would require maintaining our own copy of the code base or a patch set, ongoing management and testing of compatibility and managing all the packaging ourselves. The team isn’t nearly large enough for that. ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/5 "2023-10-29T19:38:50Z")
I see. That’s unfortunate ☹ Am I likely to have an unpleasant experience installing pantheon on EndeavourOS? ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/6 "2023-10-29T19:40:54Z")
> [@Kundalini](#): > > Am I likely to have an unpleasant experience installing pantheon on EndeavourOS? There have been people who have reported success and others who have reported issues. Why not try it for yourself and see how it goes for you? ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/7 "2023-10-29T19:49:42Z")
I supposed I should. I’ve never custom installed a DE before, so I am a little intimidated. ---
**Author:** ![manuel](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/manuel/32/396_2.png) [@manuel](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/manuel)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/8 "2023-10-29T20:08:13Z")
Just make sure you have backups (=personal data) in order and up-to-date. If all goes south, reinstalling is easy and fast. ---
**Author:** ![GolDNenex](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/goldnenex/32/64126_2.png) [@GolDNenex](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/GolDNenex)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/9 "2023-10-29T20:11:30Z")
Or simply test in a vm with virtualbox for example. When you install don’t have to choose a DE and start from there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/10 "2023-10-29T20:14:40Z")
I almost never keep data I need on my main drive. ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/11 "2023-10-29T20:18:21Z")
Wait, are you saying you can install EndeavourOS without a DE during install? And if so, are you suggesting in a VM, that’s the best way to go? I’m confused. I might just first attempt this as a fresh, clean installation on a spare device connected to Ethernet. ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/12 "2023-10-29T20:20:05Z")
> [@Kundalini](#): > > Wait, are you saying you can install EndeavourOS without a DE during install? Yes, that is one of the options. ---
**Author:** ![GolDNenex](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/goldnenex/32/64126_2.png) [@GolDNenex](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/GolDNenex)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/13 "2023-10-29T20:21:08Z")
Yes when you normally choose a DE you can also pick “no desktop” (from memory). One thing VM (virtual machine) do great is let you tried things without damaging your host. ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/14 "2023-10-29T21:45:17Z")
I’m going to attempt this installation sometime today. Hopefully it goes well. I will report back. ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/15 "2023-10-29T21:48:00Z")
What do you guys think of using this to install it? > **[Farhan Sadik / Pantheon Installer · GitLab](https://gitlab.com/farhansadik/pantheon-installer)** > > A easy way to install Pantheon Desktop on Arch Linux ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/16 "2023-10-29T21:53:55Z")
I would not use that script. What that script does is basically the same as: ```plaintext yay -Syu --needed pantheon switchboard-plug-desktop epiphany pantheon-dock-git switchboard-plug-pantheon-tweaks-git ttf-opensans ttf-dejavu ttf-droid gnu-free-fonts ttf-liberation ttf-roboto ``` ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/17 "2023-10-29T21:55:59Z")
Fair enough. Arch Wiki it is. ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/18 "2023-10-29T22:07:12Z")
Alternatively, you could just run that command I posted which boils down the script into a single command. ---
**Author:** ![Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kundalini/32/79607_2.png) [@Kundalini](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kundalini)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/19 "2023-10-29T22:07:57Z")
That command alone will install the entire DE without any further action? ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270/20 "2023-10-29T22:14:34Z")
It does the same thing the script does. I haven’t tested it but it appears to install the packages you need including a couple from AUR. You will still want to install and start a DM such as lightdm. [Next page](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/question-for-the-developers-about-pantheon-de/47270.md?page=2)