Because they don’t want to work on that codebase anymore, they decided to develop a new thing and moved on. And if someone starts to introduce new code and bugs they are forced to work on it again.
As was already said, this is a fork situation, the fork happened. Probably the best outcome, now everbody who thinks X is worth saving can work on and run the fork.
I am well aware about forks and why they happen. I am just not sharing the same feelings about this particular fork like the guy in the video. I do not see any reason for enthusiasm.
What do you mean by “crushed”?
The first stable release of wayland was released in October 2012. That is a long time ago. During all this time, specifically over the last few years, it was made pretty clear by basically all stakeholders that wayland is the future and X11 will be abandoned. Now is the point in time where this is happening. I would not call this “Xorg being crushed”. It has reached its end of life.
By that I mean perhaps a few things. X11’s demise has been planned and generally understood for some time, as you’ve noted. That it turns out, has also meant indefinitely holding back many pull-requests with bugs fixes and feature updates. Now don’t get me wrong, if the purpose is to lay it to rest, I understand why they did that, but I would consider that an example of it being slowly “crushed”, so to speak. It’s like refusing to service a car because you’re running it into the ground so you can finally get rid of it once and for all. Turns out though, there are some capable people out there who love fixing up old cars.
A more recent example, could be the deletion of the XLibre fork from FreeDesktop’s Gitlab instance, the total banning of the fork’s initiator, and the removal of that person’s pull-requests and issue tickets from not just the Xorg project, but allegedly other FreeDesktop projects too. Granted, there were some shots fired in the XLibre fork’s readme that may not have helped.
And then there’s the announcement that happened after all this, that a few prominent Gnome based distributions, likely via Gnome itself, would be completely removing Xorg support in their next releases. Perhaps coincidence of course, and this is simply part of that long term plan mentioned.
I found Nate Graham’s blog post from September 2023 about the switch to Wayland to be a helpful explanation:
As for this particular fork, I’m not buying the conspiracy theories in this thread, and I wouldn’t touch XLibre even with someone else’s bargepole.
I would modify the title to deranged for of xorg
This fork of Xorg is very promising as the guy behind it is nearly as hard working into it as Vaxry is into Hyprland, who has improved the Wayland scene significantly. It’s not a political fork made by someone who will not work on it, instead X11libre is a fork made by a technical developer with the required insight into the xorg source code, someone who is willing to actually put work into not only maintaining an X11 display server but actually moving it forward.
Let’s not forget that Xorg was born out of pure necessity that the previous display server project was ruled by dictators, enforcers of ideology, same thing which is happening with Redhat and Freedesktop in countless places. X11libre is to xorg what xorg was to xfree86 and it’s a necessary change that many of us will gladly make use of.
It’s interesting how this single “drama” exposes people across the 4 quadrants of conformism:
The aggressive conventional-minded are the enforcers of freedesktop code of conduct and dictatorship, those who not only follow the convention but also enforce it through (non-physical) aggression, punishment, bans, etc.
The passive conventional-minded are the ones who deny the X11libre fork for not following the norm, the convention or only merely because of the developer’s opinions and political conviction. They fail to realise this is exactly how Xorg was born in the first place, by forking from the norm which has become a bureaucratic hell that Xorg and Wayland have become in present time.
The passive independent-minded are the ones who are supportive of the software freedom of being able to freely contribute, fork, do things regardless if it’s good only for themselves or for everyone. These people want the practical outcome of things, if it works it works, and if it’s practical and efficient then even better.
The aggressive independent-minded are the ones that, while also supporting development freedom, they have a conviction of their own and they refuse to let go of it, they refuse to be banned, controlled, etc. In this case it’s the developer of X11libre himself specifically.
If who you call “morally bankrupt and borderline insane” is the X11libre developer, then you yourself deny the technical merits and likely future usefulness of the fork based on the political beliefs of the developer because they shift away from the convention you follow. While I am very critical of GNU and FSF this is something they defend which I agree with: merit and technicality is all that matters as well as the efficiency and practical usecase of development, your politics do not matter. In the end what do you and others do? You attempt to outcast the independent individual, in this case by assigning negative labels to the person, not because the person is objectively evil but because he shares a different view in the world.
Our primary threat to Linux and FOSS is not permissive licenses or proprietary software, rather it is this very line of reasoning, the destruction of independent thinking, the very characteristic that is required for open source development.
If instead you are referring to Lunduke? Then it’s a mixed bag. Lunduke has an agenda of his own and uses ragebait as fuel to his fame and income, but putting aside who he is and what he does, the concerns he brings up are valid and important concerns that are directly connected to what I just wrote above.
Welcome to literally ALL “news” everywhere on planet earth in 2025 hahahahaha
You seem very sure who “they” is. I’m not sure who this “they” is you’re referring to. Care to make it more obvious, I’m a little lost. . .
Just because someone disagrees with your politics doesn’t mean you should be calling them “bigots” Discussions are good. Slander in either direction shouldn’t happen though.
More importantly, @moderators why is it ok for this stuff to be said about one side, but if comments like this were made the other way, it gets like immediate attention/moderation? Could we get a little impartial moderation in a place that claims political neutrality??
Let’s play a game - How do we say we’re not neutral, without saying we’re not neutral?? Hmm..
We need not go after others here, it doesn’t serve the topic, or our community, in any useful way.
I don’t like the fact that recently many posts here have turned political, especially since discussion about politics is prohibited here. We all have most likely have different stances considering politics and it should not be something we argue here about. We all have different backgrounds and come from different environments that have shaped us and our political and other views of life.
And that is fine.
We should understand this and try be friendly towards each-other. This forum is a place for which we create atmosphere with our posts and right now, this is not a good way we’re going.
Lets try to be friends and respect the fact that we’re all different. 
No more
That’s a fair point actually, I think the “bigot” comment was below the belt.
If the discussion can continue without insulting comments, or making polital beliefs the focus of the conversation, then we can leave it open. Otherwise, as often happens with contentious topics like this, we will just close it down before it turns into a fight.
I’ve just found this topic so no political drama from me.
Honestly, while I like the idea, I think it’s too late.
I don’t think it has greater future when GNOME has officially abandoned Xorg, Plasma has plans to do so, the rest of big DE’s are experimenting with Wayland and the tiling world is slowly being taken over by Hyprland and Sway.
For me, I don’t think Wayland is ready. I’m experiencing weird bugs and niche things I haven’t encountered on Xorg. The only time I had smooth sailing with Wayland, it was GNOME on Zorin.
Maybe it’ll get better with time, but as for now as there’s no news of getting Xorg out of Arch repos, I feel comfortable on Xorg.
Maybe I’ll try XLibre if there’s a window manager compatible with it, but it’ll probably take some time and it might be Wayland will be already stable enough for my use case.
BRO, you got your answer!!!
Here’s a step by step guide of how to effortlessly shut down any of them discussions /// when you disagree with someone:
It wuz done here countless times before, yesterday some random dude insulted a black man here, then asked to ban him 3 times in a row - and nothing happened (except closing thread under the rug)!!!
PEACE YO!
The reality is that everything is political. Everything you do or don’t do anymore is still political. Even copmletely saying you’re going to opt out is still a choice and yet, has political ramifications. . . . Making this crazy idea to “remove it from everything” makes the whole situation worse since it’s not really possible. It creates even more divide between folks who in general have more in common than not. We need to be adults and have conversations about the world we live in, without lashing out at someone who disagrees with you.
Forum rules especially forbid political discussion and I disagree on your point that everything is political. It doesn’t have to be.
It doesn’t have to be. You can disagree all you want. I’m more than intrigued bythat idea, i would LOVE to find something non-political left in the world. But I cannot think of a single thing left on this planet to the distance of our moon that isn’t any longer. If you can come up with something, Please PM it to me.
