# One of the main developers for yay is stepping away from development to work on his own aur helper **URL:** \ **Category:** Linux lounge\ **Created:** [October 28, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299 "2020-10-28T14:22:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dodgypast](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dodgypast/32/11729_2.png) [@dodgypast](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dodgypast)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/1 "2020-10-28T14:22:15Z")
> **[r/archlinux - paru v1.0.0 and stepping away from yay](https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/jjn1c1/paru_v100_and_stepping_away_from_yay/?sort=confidence)** > > Bis jetzt 598 Votes und 139 Kommentare auf Reddit Curious how this will effect EnOS. Also think I’ll try out the new helper. ---
**Author:** ![keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/keybreak/32/9257_2.png) [@keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/keybreak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/2 "2020-10-28T14:37:32Z")
of ffs…yyyay 🥴 Why not just stick to something already 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Evident4146](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Evident4146](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Evident4146)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/3 "2020-10-28T14:42:23Z")
`pikaur` seems to be a pretty good helper, automatically shows new arch news when it comes up. ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/4 "2020-10-28T14:42:28Z")
Sweet! I have been hoping someone would create another AUR helper. On a more serious note, he removed on of my favorite features of yay which is the color coded output that quickly shows you version changes. This is unfortunate as it is one of the key features that makes yay great. For those you don’t have it enabled it looks like this: ![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/d/4dc170540b1fdd525dfaafb180725a6a8304493e.png) It lets you easily see what changed and how much. You can quickly differentiate between rebuilds and package upgrades. > [@Evident4146](#): > > `pikaur` seems to be a pretty good helper, automatically shows new arch news when it comes up. `yay` and `paru` can both do that as well. ---
**Author:** ![freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/freebird54/32/83106_2.png) [@freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/freebird54)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/5 "2020-10-28T14:43:57Z")
What about aura? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Evident4146](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Evident4146](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Evident4146)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/6 "2020-10-28T14:44:19Z")
Obligatory xkcd ![](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/7/2728a7282d74170629fc2eb9ecb6a8e405fd1eff.png) ---
**Author:** ![Evident4146](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@Evident4146](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Evident4146)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/7 "2020-10-28T14:45:18Z")
> [@dalto](#): > > `yay` and `paru` can both do that as well. Really?? Didn’t realize `yay` does it, I assume it’s turned off by default because I’ve never gotten a notification. ---
**Author:** ![keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/keybreak/32/9257_2.png) [@keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/keybreak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/8 "2020-10-28T14:45:33Z")
> [@dalto](#): > > Sweet! I have been hoping someone would create another AUR helper. Yeah 😆 And most funny of all - it doesn’t really bring anything new / valuable to the table. ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/9 "2020-10-28T14:48:39Z")
> [@Evident4146](#): > > I assume it’s turned off by default because I’ve never gotten a notification. It is off by default. Try `yay --news` ---
**Author:** ![freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/freebird54/32/83106_2.png) [@freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/freebird54)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:49pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/10 "2020-10-28T14:49:57Z")
> [@Evident4146](#): > > Didn’t realize `yay` does it There’s a lot in there that even escapes a quick read of the man files - here’s a useful piece of the man for **yay** ```auto SHOW OPTIONS (APPLY TO -P AND --SHOW) -c, --complete Print a list of all AUR and repo packages. This allows shell completion and is not intended to be used directly by the user. -f, --fish During complete adjust the output for the fish shell. -d, --defaultconfig Print default yay configuration. -g, --currentconfig Print current yay configuration. -n, --numberupgrades Deprecated, use yay -Qu and wc -l instead. -s, --stats Displays information about installed packages and system health. If there are orphaned, or out-of-date packages, or packages that no longer exist on the AUR; warnings will be displayed. -u, --upgrades Deprecated, use yay -Qu instead. -w, --news Print new news from the Archlinux homepage. News is considered new if it is newer than the build date of all native packages. Pass this twice to show all available news. -q, --quiet Only show titles when printing news. ``` the **-s** and **-w** look interesting… 😁 ---
**Author:** ![freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/freebird54/32/83106_2.png) [@freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/freebird54)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/11 "2020-10-28T14:51:51Z")
Actually - I am wondering if the new helper allows PKBUILD editing _ **BEFORE** _ resolving dependencies - given that changing dependencies is one of the main reasons for editing in the first place! 😁 ---
**Author:** ![keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/keybreak/32/9257_2.png) [@keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/keybreak)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/12 "2020-10-28T14:56:12Z")
[https://asciinema.org/a/sEh1ZpZZUgXUsgqKxuDdhpdEE](https://asciinema.org/a/sEh1ZpZZUgXUsgqKxuDdhpdEE) Yeah, watch the video At least looks like it can, i think ---
**Author:** ![anon83136962](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@anon83136962](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon83136962)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/13 "2020-10-28T14:59:29Z")
> [@Evident4146](#): > > ![](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/7/2728a7282d74170629fc2eb9ecb6a8e405fd1eff.png) SOOOOOOOO spot on. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Lemon](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/lemon/32/4334_2.png) [@Lemon](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Lemon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/14 "2020-10-28T15:22:54Z")
No output means no news? Nor does yay -s or yay -w provide any output… 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/15 "2020-10-28T15:32:31Z")
Unless something changes upstream, yay does not need any additional development or any new features. As long as it works, it’s fine. ---
**Author:** ![anon31549144](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@anon31549144](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon31549144)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/16 "2020-10-28T16:25:04Z")
nothing will sound as good as yay 😃. unless you make yay an alias for a new aur helper of course 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mystic](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mystic](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Mystic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/17 "2020-10-28T16:43:59Z")
I don’t get it, what makes paru more feature rich than yay that he moved over to it completely? ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/18 "2020-10-28T16:57:17Z")
> [@Mystic](#): > > what makes paru more feature rich than yay that he moved over to it completely? The decisions aren’t always made on that kind of a basis. Open source developers do things for their own reasons. Maybe he disagreed on future direction with the project owner, maybe he wanted to work in rust instead of go or maybe he just wanted to do his own thing. Lastly, keep in mind, you are looking at the current state of the project. The future state could be much different. ---
**Author:** ![otherbarry](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/otherbarry/32/10801_2.png) [@otherbarry](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/otherbarry)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/19 "2020-10-28T17:03:03Z")
[https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/trizen/](https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/trizen/) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/freebird54/32/83106_2.png) [@freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/freebird54)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299/20 "2020-10-28T17:41:15Z")
Those items are ‘extended features’ that apply to the **-P** or **–show** options (to print out info). In the case of the **-w** (usage yay -Pw) it should only give you output if there a new message to be seen since the ‘current state of all build packages’ - ie: only if it is news. Normally this will be things like “If you get this error when updating, here’s how you fix it”. Proper usage of **-s** is (yay -Ps) - and will give you something for your system, like: ```auto ┌13:34:40 WD= [~/Downloads] └───freebird@nest ─▶$ yay -Ps ==> Yay version v10.0.4 =========================================== ==> Total installed packages: 948 ==> Total foreign installed packages: 22 ==> Explicitly installed packages: 248 ==> Total Size occupied by packages: 6.8 GiB =========================================== ==> Ten biggest packages: linux-firmware: 567.8 MiB libreoffice-fresh: 407.0 MiB brave-bin: 222.9 MiB firefox: 207.7 MiB jre-openjdk-headless: 179.0 MiB virtualbox: 161.0 MiB electron7: 160.8 MiB electron: 158.9 MiB thunderbird: 156.6 MiB electron9: 155.3 MiB =========================================== :: Querying AUR... -> Missing AUR Packages: electron7 -> Orphaned AUR Packages: libaudclient ``` which is a good ‘state of the system’ rundown to be aware of. This can be gathered by multiple commands entered individually, but is handy with just this! [Next page](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299.md?page=2)