# Newish installation black screen after update **URL:** \ **Category:** Kernel, boot, graphics & hardware\ **Created:** [December 13, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973 "2023-12-13T23:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/1 "2023-12-13T23:03:15Z")
I have been running a fresh installation after getting a black screen after an update. The new install has been running fine, even after a few updates. Tonight I did the update from the welcome screen, black screen again. Boot starts then after selecting the image, I get black screen, no login and no terminal available. I have been using EOS for a few years now, I do not want to change to another OS after testing so many. I have been happy with EOS until now. 2 black screen issues in one month after updates. I just got going again. KDE Plasma desktop I have installed the LTS version: 6.1.67-1-lts Current OS installed from the below mentioned live ISO. I am now running of a live ISO, details below: > calamares 22.12.3.6-4 > firefox 116.0.1-1 > linux 6.4.8.arch1-1 > mesa 1:23.1.5-1 > xorg-server 21.1.8-2 (xorg) > nvidia-dkms 535.86.05-2 Where do I start to get this fixed? What commands can I run to give feedback for support? It is no 01:00 am in SA. Will look for feedback in the morning. Much appreciated. Screenshot of partition setup ![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/7/b/7b633f32659e6b67223e2f84592787fb6d8cf9e7.png) Results running inxi > System: > Host: EndeavourOS Kernel: 6.4.8-arch1-1 arch: x86\_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc > v: 13.2.1 Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel > wm: xfwm v: 4.18.0 vt: 1 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: EndeavourOS > base: Arch Linux > Machine: > Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E6420 v: 01 > serial: Chassis: type: 9 serial: > Mobo: Dell model: 032T9K v: A02 serial: UEFI: Dell > v: A21 date: 11/14/2013 > Battery: > ID-1: BAT0 charge: 31.7 Wh (100.0%) condition: 31.7/49.9 Wh (63.4%) > volts: 12.5 min: 11.1 model: Samsung SDI DELL 5G67C13 type: Li-ion > serial: 35723 status: full > CPU: > Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5-2520M bits: 64 type: MT MCP > smt: enabled arch: Sandy Bridge rev: 7 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB > L3: 3 MiB > Speed (MHz): avg: 825 high: 900 min/max: 800/3200 cores: 1: 800 2: 900 > 3: 800 4: 800 bogomips: 19961 > Flags: avx ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4\_1 sse4\_2 ssse3 vmx > Graphics: > Device-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics > vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-6 ports: active: LVDS-1 > empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0126 class-ID: 0300 > Device-2: NVIDIA GF119M [NVS 4200M] vendor: Dell driver: nouveau v: kernel > arch: Fermi pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: none empty: DP-1, > DP-2, HDMI-A-1, LVDS-2, VGA-2 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:1056 > class-ID: 0300 temp: 49.0 C > Device-3: Sunplus Innovation Laptop\_Integrated\_Webcam\_FHD driver: uvcvideo > type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-1.5:4 > chip-ID: 1bcf:2802 class-ID: 0e02 > Display: server: [X.Org](http://X.Org) v: 21.1.8 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X: > loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,intel,nouveau,nv,vesa > dri: crocus,nouveau gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 > Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1600x900 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 423x238mm (16.65x9.37") > s-diag: 485mm (19.11") > Monitor-1: LVDS-1 model: AU Optronics 0x313e res: 1600x900 hz: 60 dpi: 132 > size: 309x174mm (12.17x6.85") diag: 355mm (14") modes: 1600x900 > API: OpenGL v: 3.3 Mesa 23.1.5 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 3000 (SNB > GT2) direct-render: Yes > Audio: > Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio > vendor: Dell 6 driver: snd\_hda\_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 > chip-ID: 8086:1c20 class-ID: 0403 > Device-2: NVIDIA GF119 HDMI Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd\_hda\_intel > v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0e08 > class-ID: 0403 > API: ALSA v: k6.4.8-arch1-1 status: kernel-api > Server-1: PipeWire v: 0.3.76 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse > status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin > 4: pw-jack type: plugin > Network: > Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network vendor: Dell driver: e1000e > v: kernel port: 5080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:1502 class-ID: 0200 > IF: eno1 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: d4:be:d9:17:43:81 > Device-2: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie: > speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:422b class-ID: 0280 > IF: wlan0 state: down mac: d2:78:72:3f:82:16 > Bluetooth: > Device-1: Dell DW375 Bluetooth Module driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB > rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-1.4:3 chip-ID: 413c:8187 > class-ID: fe01 serial: D0DF9AB0F1C0 > Report: rfkill ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: see --recommends > RAID: > Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci > v: 3.0 port: 5060 bus-ID: 00:1f.2 chip-ID: 8086:282a rev: N/A class-ID: 0104 > Drives: > Local Storage: total: 472.99 GiB used: 31.57 GiB (6.7%) > ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: SanDisk model: SDSSDH3 500G size: 465.76 GiB > speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: 191258460215 fw-rev: 00RL scheme: GPT > ID-2: /dev/sdb model: USB FLASH DRIVE size: 7.23 GiB type: USB rev: 2.0 > spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 tech: SSD serial: AA160805A4MJK1S6PNPT fw-rev: 1100 > scheme: GPT > Partition: > ID-1: / size: 10 GiB used: 150.9 MiB (1.5%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 > Swap: > Alert: No swap data was found. > Sensors: > System Temperatures: cpu: 56.0 C mobo: 33.0 C sodimm: SODIMM C gpu: nouveau > temp: 50.0 C > Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 2882 > Info: > Processes: 217 Uptime: 50m wakeups: 1 Memory: total: 8 GiB > available: 7.64 GiB used: 2.8 GiB (36.7%) Init: systemd v: 254 > default: multi-user Compilers: gcc: 13.2.1 Packages: pm: pacman pkgs: 900 > Shell: Bash v: 5.1.16 running-in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.3.28 ---
**Author:** ![thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/thefrog/32/114250_2.png) [@thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/thefrog)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/2 "2023-12-13T23:16:27Z")
First I notice that the kernel is out of date so you need to update the kernel since its nvidia you may need to change to nvidia driver instead of nouveau ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 3:51am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/3 "2023-12-14T03:51:59Z")
@thefrog where do I start with his. If I understand correctly I will have to chroot into OS from live ISO. ---
**Author:** ![thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/thefrog/32/114250_2.png) [@thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/thefrog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:25am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/4 "2023-12-14T09:25:47Z")
> [@xenotek](#): > > I will have to chroot into OS from live ISO Yes ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/5 "2023-12-14T18:17:20Z")
I am trying to update via chroot. Looks like process is failing. Below is screenshot of last section on terminal. I also attached a pdf with terminal saved to pdf > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: kernel-modules \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: kernel-modules-extra \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: rootfs-block \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: terminfo \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: udev-rules \*\*\* > dracut: Skipping udev rule: 40-redhat.rules > dracut: Skipping udev rule: 50-firmware.rules > dracut: Skipping udev rule: 50-udev.rules > dracut: Skipping udev rule: 91-permissions.rules > dracut: Skipping udev rule: 80-drivers-modprobe.rules > dracut: Skipping udev rule: 70-persistent-net.rules > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: dracut-systemd \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: usrmount \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: base \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: fs-lib \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including module: shutdown \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Including modules done \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Installing kernel module dependencies \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Installing kernel module dependencies done \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Resolving executable dependencies \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Resolving executable dependencies done \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Hardlinking files \*\*\* > dracut: Mode: real > dracut: Method: sha256 > dracut: Files: 785 > dracut: Linked: 2 files > dracut: Compared: 0 xattrs > dracut: Compared: 36 files > dracut: Saved: 356.65 KiB > dracut: Duration: 0.015453 seconds > dracut: \*\*\* Hardlinking files done \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Generating early-microcode cpio image \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Using microcode found in ‘/boot/intel-ucode.img’ \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Store current command line parameters \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Stripping files \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Stripping files done \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Creating image file ‘/efi/4822c87241ea473ead0cbce73a34dd10/6.6.7-arch1-1/initrd’ \*\*\* > dracut: \*\*\* Creating initramfs image file ‘/efi/4822c87241ea473ead0cbce73a34dd10/6.6.7-arch1-1/initrd’ done \*\*\* > Running in a chroot, skipping cmdline generation > (5/6) Check if user should be informed about rebooting after certain system package upgrades. > System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can’t operate. > Failed to connect to bus: Host is down > (6/6) Checking which packages need to be rebuilt > fatal library error, lookup self > [root@EndeavourOS /]# [log.pdf](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/short-url/127JJMNdbGhhcz0sCWVsMNN0dEy.pdf) (39.4 KB) ---
**Author:** ![thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/thefrog/32/114250_2.png) [@thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/thefrog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/6 "2023-12-14T18:55:46Z")
in arch-chroot did you mount the root system before running update? Did you try viewing the log files before running an update or did you just try to update? ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/7 "2023-12-14T19:23:25Z")
On first try in chroot i think i missed mounting the EFI I did not look at log before trying ---
**Author:** ![thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/thefrog/32/114250_2.png) [@thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/thefrog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/8 "2023-12-14T19:44:23Z")
what happens if you try to boot? ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/9 "2023-12-14T19:52:29Z")
Gets to a screen asking image to boot into. it waits a few seconds and selects default which is the LTS version. Then screen goes black, nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/10 "2023-12-14T20:21:33Z")
I now have 2 x extra image entries on boot screen, the 6.6.7 version. Not one of these work, just black screen after. I also remembered something else. The reason I installed the LTS version was because the standard install from ISO would boot to a black screen. The last update did not upgrade the LTS version. ![20231214_221353](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/0/4/046f76af238e82aac15b3c757d42b0d960d3cceb.jpeg) Linux LTS version seems to be up to date ![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/d/8/d8efd6083218a69407ec562719a1c94bc7a59177.png) ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/11 "2023-12-14T20:44:33Z")
OK, i suspect the linux kernel is causing the issue. The last version that worked was 6.1.62-1-lts. ![20231214_223940](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/d/6/d6da6e015e9c27dcba3c0ef5faf07a365ae88b34.jpeg) Is it possible to downgrade the kernel, and how do i do this? ---
**Author:** ![anon64645096](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@anon64645096](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon64645096)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/12 "2023-12-14T21:11:21Z")
I had this problem on 2 machines in the middle of the day for the 6.6.7 update. (2 x I3 10100f machine with amd 2100 pro gpus) I went with the “chroot” procedure and it didn’t “unblock” them. I was able to repair both of them because of this contribution from a knowledgeable forum member: > [@UEFI boot loader does not show up in firmware menu, System dont boot anymore](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/uefi-boot-loader-does-not-show-up-in-firmware-menu-system-dont-boot-anymore/48814/39): > > Just to confirm, is CSM support in BIOS enabled or disabled? It might be a possibility for your computer. No cost to go and check if you have that option present and disabled 😉 Pesky bios with “CSM” are now hunted on the machines. Best Regards 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/13 "2023-12-14T21:51:38Z")
@anon64645096 I have investigated this, it seems my hardware too old for this feature. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/14 "2023-12-14T22:15:20Z")
I still have the older LTS packages on in pacman cache. ![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/4/a/4a3230d397def680798ec715a769816e5a72920e.png) Is it safe to do a downgrade as specified here, [https://discovery.endeavouros.com/pacman/downgrade-packages/2021/03/](https://discovery.endeavouros.com/pacman/downgrade-packages/2021/03/) ![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/9/3/93f78b8543ebe497474700304496656d361bdbc3.png) ---
**Author:** ![thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/thefrog/32/114250_2.png) [@thefrog](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/thefrog)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/15 "2023-12-14T22:39:22Z")
yes this should still be relevant for your needs ---
**Author:** ![Mandarine](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@Mandarine](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Mandarine)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:02am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/16 "2023-12-15T09:02:12Z")
> [@xenotek](#): > > I have investigated this, it seems my hardware too old for this feature. I don’t want to annoy you but are you really sure about that? I have a almost 10yo computer next to me that already supports that feature. The Feature also can be called different like “Bios Boot Mode” and then you can choose between Uefi or Legacy. ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/17 "2023-12-15T17:54:12Z")
Screenshot of boot setup. The 0x81 UEFI is the USB with live ISO ![20231215_195254](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/b/5/b53335ba01c77dd5fdec14dec15a22a507781b37.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/18 "2023-12-15T18:13:37Z")
Downgrading to 6.1.62 kernel did not work. I have a second SSD with the same OS as my work laptop. Updated the EOS with yay which installed the linux kernel and boot is now broken as well. I created a new live ISO and this would not boot past selecting the image. For shits and giggles I reset the BIOS which sets the boot to legacy. Now when i boot, i select to boot from USB UEFI, and the live ISO boots. Not sure what is happening. Could this be bios/hardware related issue. If this is hardware related issue, i do not want to use EOS anymore ---
**Author:** ![xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/aeb1de/32.png) [@xenotek](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xenotek)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/19 "2023-12-15T22:49:00Z")
Just did a fresh install from live ISO. All working now, BUT with latest LTS only. Running standard kernel stops with black screen after image select. This is the 3rd time this year that I have to do fresh install of EOS after 2 years running no issues. I am afraid to update now. ---
**Author:** ![xioticin](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/x/3d9bf3/32.png) [@xioticin](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/xioticin)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2024, 4:46am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973/20 "2024-01-24T04:46:00Z")
I also am using a Dell Latitude laptop (E5450) and have had the same experience when updating the kernel which eventually leads to a black screen after kernel selection on boot. I updated my laptop this evening and once again was presented with the same black screen. I found this thread and poked around in the BIOS after reading about disabling CSM above. I was able to fix the black screen issue by going into Advanced Boot Options in BIOS and unchecking Enable Legacy Option Roms. I have included a screenshot, though your BIOS menu looks a little different than mine. Hoping this helps! ![1000001262](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/9/2988b0c58ed01c61edc2d6b8366800f29d5185ba.jpeg) [Next page](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/newish-installation-black-screen-after-update/48973.md?page=2)