So me saying Nvidia f’ed up shows I lack emotional maturity? I get your point, but that’s what you said and it isn’t exactly pleasant being called an idiot, more or less, because I used a swear word to express myself.
When I was younger and learning English, I was more easily able to remember words I was not supposed to say compared to words other words and vocabulary. Those were the days where I grew up in an environment where everybody speaks English, now I am not in an environment where I speak English every day anymore. So sometimes it’s harder to find the right description for a word now days for me, so I can imagine it’s the same for people that have a a harder time with English than me.
In the situation of someone that has a harder time with English. An an example, I could have just had my Linux installation break on me for the after having installed it and updated it for the first time. Maybe I have an important paper for school or work on there. Out of stress I might go to a forum and look for help, and say something describing Linux with a swear word as it might be one of the few words the person knows to describe something negatively.
Let met give you another example. There was this big deal with Stellar Blade about two weeks ago, where some people tripped over there being graffiti displayed of HardR. It was only American gaming journalists and a few others from America that fell over it, while the the rest of the world(including me) not living in America had not idea what the big deal was. That day I learned that HardR is a reference to the N word with a emphasis on the letter R in the end. The developers of that game weren’t even American and weren’t even aware of this. Also there were even people in America that couldn’t agree on it because HardR also seems to be used in the movie industry as a reference to a movie rating.
I won’t go beyond that but that just shows there’s also cultural differences when it comes to certain words or word references when it comes to what is offensive in some cultures and countries and what is not. That includes swear words, as @dalto already mentioned. Also as a few already mentioned it including myself, it also comes to context as in how a word is used.
Not only you said this. @rich52 also indirectly said that using swear words demonstrates how much of a simpleton someone is, more or less. I can understand not liking swear words, I can understand wanting to avoid them, I can understand having to not use them here, but I can’t understand why I have to be indirectly called a moron and an idiot for simply believing they have an use and feeling like I can’t properly express myself sometimes because of them.
With my last reply, I will officially not look at this thread anymore. I already got an satisfying answer, multiple actually. Feel free to turn this into a war if you so choose.
I think this thread may have just perfectly demonstrated why this rule is a good idea.
Either somebody will get upset at the swearing, or the swearer will get upset at being considered immature. There is no winning. Best to just avoid it entirely.
That would mean all the Youtube videos shared in “What are you listening to right now” would have to have that rule applied to as well or are we going to make an exception for art since music is art? I would find that is just creating unnecessary extra work for the moderators because I haven’t seen it happening on a daily basis and as long as someone isn’t using a curse word to insult someone personally, even insulting someone personally without swear words I would find a no go on a forum.
But I can also understand this point.
I can’t get behind this argument.
I brought my son up to appreciate swearing, feel free to swear, but also to appreciate where and when it’s appropriate… I don’t feel any need to protect him, and I don’t want him to be subject to any offense if he comes across people who do swear.
I was brought up NOT to swear, so in my teens I tended to compensate for the repression. I’ve appreciated the trend for public TV to generally relax the rules and learned that even in polite societies, people can swear and not be offensive.
But not everyone is the same - and such people need to feel safe in a forum which is intended to be INCLUSIVE, which requires protection of such people. It leads to a polite society where people will self-censor in order to avoid offending others.
Remember also that there are a great number of non-native speakers here (many of whom use better English than the natives) who will have wildly differing opinions from your own.
I do think we should avoid a situation where everyone has to walk around on eggshells for everyone just because you’re not sure if it might hurt someone’s feelings and no one here can read everyone’s minds. That in itself is already a problem in today’s society.
I guess my biggest thing.
We have grown into almost unanimously the best “Linux community” to be apart of.
For almost 5 years, we have become that with the people who have made it that. We are the community everyone talks about, tells people to come to.
This was NEVER an issue until now.
Something has changed drastically very recently. Another step to being like everyone else, lost in a sea of Linux. Possibly sharing the same fate as so many who aren’t or never were special.
Community that built this has been fractured badly, by something new. And instead of fixing the problem (likely new people , trolls and help vampires) we’re trying to cure symptoms of an elbow infection with amputation.
5 years in to becoming the best community. I hope this trend continues with new community. There’s a pretty high expectation set to strive to.
Maybe it continues. Maybe it doesn’t. I guess we’ll find out.
There’s nothing really to argue about. The change is made; the line is in the sand.
I can t get behind the argument either. What s happened to society? Many would say it s progressed, but I d say it has regressed. Used to be that one could call a spade a spade. You either agree, or disagree, but all would defend the right to say it; whatever it was. Now it s pathetic. And we are already walking on eggshells. There s no avoiding it. We can not say what we feel because some words/view points/concepts are just not accepted. For the sake of those who think they need inclusion, others are being excluded. Now that makes a lot of sense. A lot of non sense that is.
That isn’t true, it has always been an issue. In the past, the moderators were regularly working to remove such content and discuss with the people who posted it why it was removed. It was/is a time consuming, manual effort to do it that way.
It could also help to have moderators who aren’t spread thin across several forums in that regard. I’d be exhausted too.
Of the moderators we do have, more than 20% of them when I looked last week haven’t even been here in 2+ years.
They probably aren’t helping much. Maybe it’s time to call on some long time community members to help? Keep the culture, and lessen the burden on management??
Asking for help seems logical. If you’re over burdened, bringing on others already spread thin makes zero sense.
Visibly it’s never been an issue.
I mean, what do I know? I’ve only been a forum moderator twice and a manager of upwards of 50 people for most of my life.
I definitely don’t have anymore comments on this. As I’m sure you’ll nit pick something here too.
I would really like to meet you in person @dalto lol.
I am against swearing myself due to my religious beliefs. As Muslims we learn from the Qur’an that in paradise no one will hear bad language. For a Muslim swearing is a sinful act, even listening to it unnecessarily.
You’re answer, intellectually totally smashed lol and ended the conversation. hahaha it was all over with the first reply. lol Wouldn’t like to be up against you in a debate.
That still doesn’t take away the culture differences from many countries, what might be offensive in your country will probably be not seen as offensive in another country.
I’ve decided to select a solution to this thread, as I think the general consensus is pretty clear: this forum doesn’t need swear words to be uncensored as this is an international community and the topic will mostly be related to the distro itself, not something else. I agree with it. I selected what I think is the most representative comment regarding this.
I apologize if I caused some mess for the staff. Now, if you would excuse me, I would like to go and forget about this honestly because those two commenters that indirectly questioned my intelligence still make me salty.
lol Exactly. I 100% agree with you.
ps… I’m a white english speaking person who became Muslim at 19. Grew up around crack heads and the worse criminals in the area at the time lol. Lived on my own from 15. I probably lol have had the worse behaviour and language more than anyone lol on this site.
I think the point is that lines do need to be drawn, it should be clear that there is no absolute freedom. Freedom of speech for example. It’s just false, but sounds very nice.
Pluralism, also sounds very nice. Free to believe in whatever you want as long as you feel good about it. Reality though, is a bit different. lol One truth on one subject matter.
I meant more like. In my country saying “Shit” is not offensive but if I were to go to the US it will probably be seen different and same for your country because in your country you will likely speak another language than English.
It s interesting how you phrased that. I never thought of others reading my posts as an audience; as if I am performing or something. Or maybe fishing for likes? And I disagree with the first sentence. Emotion, or rather, passion, is instrumental in portraying ones point of view. If I throw a curse word in there it only shows that I mean to emphasize that particular point. When I went through Marine boot camp in 78 curse words were the mainstay. One quickly understood if the DI was cursing at you, you better perform. Curse words have there place in society whether some like it or not.
Hehehe. That s what I used to say when I hit my finger with a hammer.
I see your point but do disagree. I would say if you learnt the linguistic features that languages provide and used them, then your points would be emphasised and much more passionate or raw than using swear words.
shit isn’t a swear word tho. lol it is the only one left I can say.
hahahahahaha Fantastic topic this one isn’t it people!