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To get back on topic, it all depends on whether you find it acceptable for browsers to violate you. They are not all equal in that regard, some violate their users harder than others, but it is an unfortunate and undeniable fact of our existence that convenience often needs to be traded for security, privacy, ethics, love, happiness, knowledge, financial success, and other values. Pretty much any effort is inconvenient.
As long as your only value is convenience, you can be sure youâre making bad decisions.
Iâm curious about this claim. Can you provide evidence to support it?
Hey there, I just found this topic. Very interesting.
What are the âsourceâ for claiming that Mozzila/Firefox is the âtoyâ (if I may) of Google ?
If Iâm interested to defend that pov in the future, it may be useful to have some âsupportâ to my argument.
The fact that it uses Google as the default search engine is the first clue.
First of all, I want to make it abundantly clear (if it wasnât already) I am speaking in regards to security, not privacy.
Admittedly, I do not have sources on hand.
I will search through IEEE publications (I believe it was there that I read relevant information).
The focus of the articles Iâve read on the matter was in regards to process isolation models and sandboxing.
In the meantime, let me say Iâm completely open to being proven wrong if my information is out of date or otherwise inaccurate if you are willing to respectfully elaborate an opposite take. 
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Bryan Lunduke wrote a very well researched, detailed exposé:
He lists a bunch of sources there.
Here is a video of him reading it:
Yeah, that a good point haha
I just watch the video from the first message and check some of the source.
That very interesting, I think I lost some âviewâ on certain feature because of the sync feature that set up my Firefox automatically with certain stuff like a custom new tab page 
At this point Iâhave changed my pov regrading firefox.
Yes, I am aware of this. Your sentence was quite clear.
Thanks for making the effort.
Iâm afraid my current knowledge of web browsers makes me rather unqualified to give any useful input. I can only judge based on the available evidence, hence my question earlier.
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Thanks, I check that 
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What is there to managing a browser? For the life of me i just donât understand linux users and this stuff about browsers. 
Firefox is a great browser. One of the better ones. Edge one of the worst! I would never use Edge on Linux let alone use it on Windows. As far as tabs or groups of tabs. I rarely ever have more than one or two tabs open ever. Did i say ever? Ya not in my lifetime.
The only issue i have with browsers is security and ads and tracking and privacy of the users information. Websites are more of the problem than the browser. They shouldnât be allowed to be made to push ads and tracking and spying.
I use Firefox and i donât care for most other browsers. I use it on Windows also because i canât stand Edge with itâs constantly asking âŠdo you want me to be the default. Also constantly turns on the settings you disable. Itâs garbage! Plain & simple.
Too many browsers in my opinion. Pick one and use it. Thatâs your choice.
I use Firefox by choice.
In case anyone doesnât remember Microsoft was forced to allow their browser (Internet Explorer) to be removed. Now again here we are in 2023 with Edge browser that canât be removed on Windows again! How did they get away with doing this again. They were sued for this. (monopoly)
And thatâs why i use Firefox because itâs a better choice and itâs my choice. Chromium is my backup. Again my choice.
Chrome came from Chromium which is open source.
Chrome=Google=Monopoly!
Do i use Chrome sure. As a consumer we are forced into this crap. Android=Google ChromeBook=Google etc etc.
Browsers browsers browsers as @Kresimir said.
Which really equates to there is no best browser. There are just browsers and some are better than others but they all have some flaw or another. Pick one be happy! 
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@anthony93 I have edited my original post to include an article (it is not the IEEE publication I was searching for).
I think it does a good job of covering material I have read in the past in regards to process isolation models and linking relevant material and establishing timelines (*bugzilla links are especially important in timelines).
It could but you need to get terminal-centric.
There are how-tos floating around the world wild web.
DIAYOR
I wouldâve expected this type of response from ricklinux, tbh, the trollest of mods 
I am the same in that regard. But occasionally, I am researching about something and it becomes a âopen this link, and this link, and this linkâ. Linux as the rabbit hole it is, could be a good example. And in that case, I would find tab groups to be very useful. Or while managing several pages and creating profiles. Any task that requires more than 5 pages on the same topic for my personal use case, gives me the need for a tool that if I want to stop at any point, I can group it all and come back later. Saving them as a list, bookmark and the likes is cumbersome.
And when I say âmanagingâ I mean the whole thing. Perhaps itâs the wrong word - but not all the time âimporting/exportingâ favs and stuff works without a hitch - and if you change browsers (as a main browser for daily use I mean), I like to have stuff synced or saved between devices. Deleting one app on the phone and installing the other, hoping things would load up correctly, etc. In that sense, I wouldâve thought that Firefox perhaps wouldâve had much less issues when installing/updating or doing anything on Linux, than say, the AUR package of Edge.
On that note, why is Edge one of the worst? (Aside from Microsoft). At least for me, it was super fast and reliable, except on one very special specific occasion. Of course, fast and reliable minus the actually private. At least for my use case, the settings I turned off stayed off (unless you meant you checked through and they looked off but werenât actually, in which case I personally donât know).
On the note of âby choiceâ, as stupid as it is which is now me realizing it, I did believe that using Firefox for not being Chromium and being open source, etc. helped on something. I mean, itâs pretty clear that I donât shy away from compromise but also donât care that much if in the end it doesnât matter (I was using Edge after all and it gave me the least of problems, including mobile, until one of the latest updates where it broke). I made the switch to Firefox, specifically because I believed it was âthe different thingâ - but now with these things coming to light, it looks like it doesnât matter at all and Iâm just putting strain on myself using something that isnât great, for no reason other than smokes and mirrors.
If the choice Iâm making doesnât do anything âgoodâ or in the end it doesnât even matter (yes that was on purpose 
), then I wouldnât make a choice and pick something that isnât comfortable.
Acceptable as in âthere is a proper justification that we can be ok with about thisâ? No. Acceptable as in âI am aware of this but still decide to do soâ then yes. Itâs acceptable if you wanna be a regular person. Literally almost anyone at some point will say to you âcheck this outâ and hand you a youtube link. I want to just click on it and be done with it, which is convenience. I also use the webpage a lot with no issues. I donât know what issues youâve had, other than the design of the web page being utterly obnoxious and plain horrible
It is not the only value, but it is one that I appreciate. I am willing to compromise it to an extent, clearly since I am here on this OS, but Iâm not willing to just basically be a âvirtual caveman living in the digital woodsâ. So valuing convenience to me doesnât inherently mean your decisions are bad.
At the end of the day, all your opinions have been good and appreciated. It was a good food for thought and I am contemplating switching to something else again for ease of use. - At this point I wish I could try out that new âArcâ browser I really like Firefox as a whole, donât have much problem with it. Or had, I should say. In lights of these recent events I donât feel it would be a good choice for me to keep using it.
Thank you all 
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I have no issue with Firefox on EOS. I only use ublock origin and a couple of extensions for ripping video or audio conversion. II donât get carried away with using extensions or tabs.
Edge is the worst because it canât be removed and it changes your settings that you set off back on. Iâm referring to using it in Windows and that is why i would never use it on Linux. Also when ever i use it just opening any web sites i get junk email coming. This never happens from Firefox ever. On Edge it always happens in Windows. So that is my reason. I canât stand Microsoft for their blatant disregard of users privacy. When you install Windows the only way you can log in is with a Microsoft account or some other method which is totally unnecessary. I always change my use account to a local account. I do not want to log in or sync or any of this stuff. Firefox is the best for me and Ive used it ever since itâs origin.
All the other browsers have their followers but Iâm satisfied with Firefox. Iâve tried and used many over the years but Firefox is my main go to both on Windows and Linux. I donât need 25 or more different browsers to choose from and Iâd rather use a browser that i feel has some security that i can reasonably trust.
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So, first of all: Really really good topic with some fine and some funny discussions, I am still blown away how GOOD the EOS forum actually is. Even IF there is kind of a âfightâ both âfightersâ keep being calm and come to the agreement to disagree - well done, sirs (I bet you know who you are ;)).
Regarding Browsers: I am in the privacy corner over here, so it is Librewolf for me, which is like choosing the least shitty one of all the shitty ones. I chose it because NO GOOLAG (and this is a principle, because they are killing the web), which leaves me with Firefox or itâs âforksâ - hence Librewolf.
I added LocalCDN, Skip Redirect, Lib Redirect and Canvas Blocker as Addons, to have even more protection against undesired shady data collection - I absolutely HATE being the product!
On top of that I use a list-controlled DNS-based Adblocker for my whole network, so absolutely no adds for me, unless I whitelist a domain - which never happensâŠ
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What DNS based Adblocker are we speaking about? 
Let me guess, Pi-hole.
I started with:
But DNS is one of those services (together with DHCP, Routing and Gateway) which should be together AND reliable - something a pi cannot perform well in. So it is an opnsense (actually - two of those) with unbound and filter lists (in my case it is the good old AdGuard list).
This has many advantages added to âadblockingâ, so it was worth the extra effort. At least for my use cases, that is.