If not KDE or Gnome, what other DE would you be using?


What in the world. :mask:

Now there’s a thing i have been saying that for years. even got banned for life on a Arch spin forum, for saying the same thing. :grinning:

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I always use XFCE. Why? Because it does not break as frequently as Gnome or KDE. It is more stable. And it comes with all the features I need incl. tiling.

With all due respect I am objecting.

Just two recent issues with Arch:

  • upgraded freetype2 (2.10.4-1 → 2.11.0-3) breaks Steam
  • upgraded opencl-amd (20.50.1234664-5 → 21.10.1247438-1) breaks darktable opencl

there have been more issues like that with mesa updates for example.

This does not happen with distros which have a good release management

With all due respect i disagree.

upgrades can no be tested on everything so there will be breakages on any OS .

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There are a few things that I think make this discussion a challenging one

  • The word stability can be correctly used in many different ways.
  • We all have different expectations when it comes to stability. These range from the system not crashing to every feature of every application working perfectly.
  • Both hardware and installed software differences play a big part in stability so my system may have no breakages while someone with different hardware and different packages installed may have a different experience.

That is correct. But proper release management catches more breakages than no release management. Debian for example catches many of these issues. Therefore a statement like “Arch is the most stable thing” can not be true by the facts.

That is not true you just have to follow the Debian forums to debunk that argument,
What ever distro you use has problems for some users and not others, that includes Windows, and Mac to a certain degree one size does not fit all even in a closed wall system, to many parameters to cover.

Arch and slackware are the distros that software devs favour, Debian patches only for Debian, Software devs patch for everyone

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It depends how you define stability. If you define stability as the system not crashing, Arch could, in some circumstances be more stable than Debian, if you run the LTS kernel.

On the other hand, if you are referring to application stability, there is simply no way that Arch is more stable than Debian. Not only does Arch usually get new applications releases in there x.0 state where bugs are more likely, it has a rolling base which applications sometimes take time to catch up with.

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Actually, in hindsight, we’re way off topic here discussing distros. This thread started off being about DEs! :laughing:

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This has absolutely been my experience. I’ve had a lot less problems as I’ve had a more “minimal” system. Less things = less things to go wrong. I find that is true with nearly EVERYTHING in life. Other than less money - I think that’s the only thing I can’t imagine less of being better. But literally everything else it seems - less is better.


Finally got Cinnamon set up how I like it on :enos: so I’m running with that, but Xfce remains my fallback.

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I’ve got Cinnamon on my “second” desktop. It took a bit of tweaking to get it to how I liked it but I am pleasantly impressed. It feels very kind of solid and unified. I remember trying it in it’s early days and I always found it unstable, with frequent freezes, but now it has evolved into a very nice DE. It’s easy to be productive on it because it’s fairly simple to use and doesn’t get in the way. Not my favourite DE but a good solid backup that I am happy with.

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If there were no KDE anymore, I’d be on Trinity.

Anything but Unity :scream:

No KDE? :scream: What you talking about? I think maybe i go back to Cinnamon it’s a lot quieter there! No issues…no fuss…no muss! Cinnamon rarely has any issues. Just use it! Stop playing around with stuff and it don’t break. It’s the kind of desktop you don’t need to constantly be messing with.

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I never “got” the dislike of Unity when it came out - or later. At the time (limited vertical screen real estate) it was easily the best workflow available - and not just on Linux. It is amazing how many of Unity’s feature set have become part of KDE since!

Some people were even complaining about the return to min/max/close buttons returning to the normal position on the left (3 seconds to select your choice btw) - which was always kind of funny as the same people were often vitriolic about Windows, the only place of significance the ‘right side’ location was used!

Oh - and vert screen comment - it was the ‘global menu’, and the fact that it can be a loooong way to the top of the screen these days - or I would be more than likely using it now (some of my builds have the fusion icon switcher for wm/compositor installed).

The amazing thing was that it took only a couple of hours to adapt to it (coming from Gnome 2), and a couple of days to incorporate the key shortcuts and the HUD into the workflow. It didn’t hurt either that the ‘goodies’ of the interface (cubes and Magic Lamps &c) came for free!

Cinnamon is my favorite DE because they are modern and follow the K.I.S.S. philosophy.

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I would be there on Cinnamon, but I can’t find good docs on modifying theming for it. Haven’t managed to get it to look quite right…

Also - it ‘effects’ don’t work right (create transparent chunks out of the screen). Too bad - it seems OK otherwise, and handles hi-dpi better than most.

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You have to turn off Window effects in (Effects)