Isn’t that the driving force of The History? 
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lol I guess 1203 isn’t really bloated but before that I had installed a whole bunch of - probably - unneeded software/libraries. And people aren’t dumb enough to actually believe bloat is the heat death of the universe like certain linux yters say. And yes I just made this to see who has the most, shall I say least “unbloated” system
My Understanding of bloat has nothing to do with the amount of packages but stuff in packages that are unnecessary to perform the task.
I believe Etcher would be a good example of bloat. Etcher uses Electron to make it Cross Platform Electron has Chromium in it. So for the mere sake to burn a ISO to USB it is a waste of resources I can do the same job with dd a much smaller footprint and not the waste of resources that Etcher uses.
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exactly. the amount packages does also contribute; if you have a lot of packages that are “bloat” in your sense, you would have a lot of bloat because so many of your packages are bloat, bloating your system
bloat is measured by installed but unused packages, not by total installed packages. if you need a lot of packages for your tasks, than that is not bloat. this package measuring contests can lead to extreme package removal to a point where you remove packages that you would normally use. some sort of digital anorexia 
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my intent is not to make people delete their packages and be left with a black screen but to just get an answer. I think I need to change my mindset about bloat 
Packages: 2529 (dpkg), 23 (flatpak)
Debian 
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I was confused for a second like “huh? why dpkg” and then I saw “Debian”
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Yeah, LMDE specifically. A clean install lists over 2000 iirc
The only time the amount would be considered bloat is for those things the USER did not install. The Distro adds programA to their install I never use programA so there in that sense it is bloat. However me installing programA myself and using it as intended is not considered bloat in this case.
In the example I gave earlier about Etcher, this is a case where people use something because its cross platform and comfortable for them to use however it needing to have Chromium makes it bloat because there is no need for a web browser to burn an ISO to a USB.
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hehe, packages are measured differently between OSes. some package managers bundle a lot of files together, while others divide them in small packages of multiple bundles.
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1211 pacman, 18 flatpak
A few days ago, after a relatively fresh install of EOS Cinnamon: Packages: 956 (pacman)
Now that I have everything I need and EOS Cinnamon set up just as I like: Packages: 1095 (pacman)
Still a pretty lean package count compared to my EOS KED Plasma install: Packages: 1440 (pacman)
1720 (pacman), 6 (flatpak) from fastfetch
Which seems good, considering a raw install with KDE plasma and associated non-default plasma options like displaying previews in dolphin is ~ 1,100.
A good chunk of that is hardware utilities like coolercontrol (jfc that program is too big but gods is it effective)
A good block of it is python and data tools I’m trying to learn rn.
a lot of the rest is gaming related.
Then there’s some more tools I just expect to have on my computer but don’t use all that often.
1592, all pacman! (flatpak? wtf is wrong with you people?!) my current setup is semi-deliberately messy though, i have a few X window managers and wayl and compositors installed, four file managers, a couple terminal emulators and so on…
I’ve just been testing a lot of shit, once i’m ‘satisfied’ i will probably do a fresh cleaner install with something in the 500-1000 package range.
I also have qemu installed though, not sure if i’ll be keeping it or not.
Everything around 1000 is totally common… but 2000 ?? Questionable 
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My totals are 1696 (pacman) and 73 (AUR) - but I suspect that if I finally went through the “tried it out and forgot to remove” stack that I would be at ~1250 pacman and 20 AUR for reals 
Got to clean up some day soon!
