# Help to install bootloader on dual boot (windows 10/endeavouros) **URL:** \ **Category:** EndeavourOS installation\ **Created:** [April 12, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616 "2023-04-12T19:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/61 "2023-04-15T14:13:24Z")
It’s worth a try since nothing else is working. I’m not that skilled at all things grub or anything else for that matter. I just inch along one byte at a time! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![petsam](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/petsam/32/41308_2.png) [@petsam](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/petsam)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/62 "2023-04-15T14:43:47Z")
> [@pebcak](#): > > I think the system will be unbootable if done so. Yes, unless OP uses one of the [alternative EFI paths](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#UEFI_boot_loader_does_not_show_up_in_firmware_menu). Anyway, I think OP _knows better_ and we should let him decide 🙂 . This: > [@ricklinux](#): > > boot into Windows and use the disc management tool under storage to shrink Windows C: drive to create an unallocated space to install EndeavourOS. Then try using the installer and you can select replace partition or use manual partitioning. If it doesn’t happen to see the unallocated space you could also use Windows and just create a new partition on the unallocated space formatted with ntfs first also before running the installer. IIUC the installer log has `/efi` for ESP, which suggests it is systemd-boot, not a grub installation. Unless the installer is capable/configured to do it, and I don’t know about it 🤷 . ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/63 "2023-04-15T15:07:05Z")
Yes, I can never tell if it’s grub or system-d boot. It’s hard to know exactly what the OP has or is doing exactly. I just know that i have had a lot of these Acer laptops that always have issues with installing and it’s either Intel Optane, RST or Raid and or something else that causes them to fail. If i have the hardware in front of me is much easier to see and know what’s going on. Edit: If only i was a 🧠 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/64 "2023-04-15T15:33:23Z")
> [@petsam](#): > > [alternative EFI paths](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#UEFI_boot_loader_does_not_show_up_in_firmware_menu) Yes I think that would be a way to go (sounds like my machine) but i dont know if i’m capable of doing it 🥴 > [@ricklinux](#): > > It’s hard to know exactly what the OP has or is doing exactly Right now I had the installer make a partition on around 120 gb for EOS and it also made a partition automatic on 1 gb for the /efi I guess. I choose systemd bootloader but system did freeze so that might not be installed. It was done with the ‘alongside’ option in the installer ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/65 "2023-04-15T15:41:22Z")
Have you tried installing with grub? ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/66 "2023-04-15T15:41:43Z")
Yes - they both freezes on ~82% install ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/67 "2023-04-15T15:46:14Z")
Have you tried installing using grub with manual partitioning and selecting the Windows efi and not formatting it but keeping it and marking it as /boot/efi and creating a root partition and marking it /root. You can also create a swap partition or leave it and create a swap file after the install if it worked. ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/68 "2023-04-15T15:48:17Z")
I tried that too, yes same problem with system freeze ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/69 "2023-04-15T15:48:52Z")
Does this laptop have Intel RST or Intel Optane? ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/70 "2023-04-15T15:53:17Z")
How can I find out? It’s called Intel Celeron ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/71 "2023-04-15T15:54:08Z")
It would have the settings in the Bios. ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/72 "2023-04-15T15:59:01Z")
Not much info in Bios. It says CPU Info: Intel Celeron CPU N3350 1.10GHz Bios Version V1.19 ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/73 "2023-04-15T16:02:46Z")
How much ram does it have? Edit: I see it has 8 GB from the installer log. ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/74 "2023-04-15T16:13:11Z")
Something just doesn’t seem right here but i can’t put my finger on it. Doesn’t make any sense to me. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/75 "2023-04-15T16:17:34Z")
No same here! Totally weird. That’s why when I read this [install linux…](https://medium.com/@thenujansandramohan/install-any-linux-distro-on-acer-aspire-es1-533-be8e2d6015ef) I thought it could be a solution but again this is not manjaro, and it sounds kind a bit too complicated for me. I already installed endeavouros on two macs with no problems. But this windows laptop is hard… ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/76 "2023-04-15T16:20:10Z")
Is the system currently working on Windows? ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/77 "2023-04-15T16:21:10Z")
Yes it runs windows 10 fine, and also linux from usb live stick. no problems ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/78 "2023-04-15T16:21:45Z")
Are you using the current ISO? How did you create the live usb? ---
**Author:** ![j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@j\_c](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/j_c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/79 "2023-04-15T16:25:05Z")
Its the current ISO made with Popsicle on linux I also tried with an older ISO (one where you couldn’t choose bootloader) ---
**Author:** ![ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/ricklinux/32/110798_2.png) [@ricklinux](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/ricklinux)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/help-to-install-bootloader-on-dual-boot-windows-10-endeavouros/39616/80 "2023-04-15T16:26:01Z")
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