Greetings and a question

Hi!

I recently installed EOS after years on the Debian ecosystem (mainly Ubuntu).

I must confess that’s been rewarding to use this lean and elegant distro so far.

It almost worked flawlessly out of the box, minor issues being:

  • Bluetooth - I don’t know why, but I had to manually enable and start the bluetooth service to get it working;
  • NVIDIA - Although the installer recognized and set my NVIDIA RTX 3060 correctly, it missed installing the opencl-nvidia driver. This was necessary because darktable needs it to use the graphics card.

Both issues were easy to solve, so here I am.

Now I realized that my banking security software is only compatible with debian, and here’s where I would need advise.

I’m thinking of creating a Debian or Ubuntu VM (KVM) and access my bank from there, since I will be able to run the bank’s security deb installer and the use Firefox to access the bank site.

Would you recommend a leaner alternative?

Sidenote: My hardware is a Dell G15 Ryzen edition (5515), AMD Ryzen 7, AMD Cezanne integrated graphics, NVIDIA RTX 3060 discrete graphics card, 16 GB ram.

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Do check if the bank security software in question is available via AUR or even in the official repositories (unless the .deb in question is custom-tailored for you). If not, try the ‘debtap’ utility available via AUR to convert the .deb into an ARCH package.

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Because EndeavourOS is based on Arch:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_Linux#Simplicity

[Arch] does not add automation features such as enabling a service simply because the package was installed.

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Banking security software? Most people just use a web browser.

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Yeah, so do I. But to use the browser, my bank and many others in this country require you to install what is called “security module”, which aims to “bring an extra layer of protection to your financial online transactions”.

It’s basically a spyware.

Your question made me think twice before I try @chalex20 solution, and now I’m inclined to go the vm way. At least, it will be containerized (I guess).

Anyway, this is the most comprehensive reading about it I could find (in Portuguese): https://www.hardware.com.br/artigos/warsaw-o-modulo-de-seguranca-bancario-que-continua-inportunando-os-usuarios/

And this is an account by a foreigner: https://kafkatoday.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/a-cold-war-malware-in-brazils-banks/ (it’s old but its funny…)

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Ya. I wouldn’t bank on my computer if they told me that. I’d just go to the office or find another bank.

It sounds very strange that it matters on your computer OS. Browser maybe. I’ll read what I can

My bank told me I should use their phone app and I laughed at them. I asked them how to get the apk, and they said play store or iOS. I told them I couldn’t use either of those due to severe security limitations unfortunately.

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My bank (in Europe too) wanted me to MANDATORY install their app on a "smart"phone to access my account AND to secure every transaction with the use of the app each time.

I wrote to the direction saying I only have a flip phone BECAUSE I’m concerned about security, pointing them to many justice cases where misused or malware was involved with baking on a phone (it’s not hard to find lol) and explaining that I access my accounts online only with trusted computers that run trusted software for which I know the source code, on an operating system of the same caliber (just name anything beside windows mac and ubuntoo and you’re good lol), and that if they prevent me from doing so, I will of course switch bank, and sue them in my country and at the european court for refusing to provide me access to my account (I have no clue of the outcome of such a thing by the way, I just know in this country banks cannot refuse basic services).
Well anyway, I really made a rant, sourcing many crap and using so much “technical” vocabulary, so in the end they let me keep the “old” system (which is already a pain) and consit to send me a code via SMS each time I want to access my account online and each time I make a purchase online…

Mèèèh, it really just take half an hour to try…
I think the guys will be clueless with the result of the doings of such a pain of an idiot, and, if they can, they will just do the easiest thing for them.

edit
just to go to the counter and tell them to f$@k off might work just as well as @fbodymechanic pointed out… I live far on the country side :sweat_smile: …and I might like to imagine the idiot reading my sh*t twice and asking himself if he should follow it to the legal department or just put it in the trash and take a break, i know it’s mean)

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Ya, so I’d just skip online banking then. If it’s required, go elsewhere. If you live in a country that absolutely abhors freedom, I guess you will need to deal with it, or leave (if you’re allowed to).

I would run it in a VM behind a VPN, connected to an open source router, to a second router (because I’m sure your issued router is also compromised). I guess that’s the least worst option.

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Yep… I’d like to ask Chinese Joe how he does it with WeChat :grimacing:

Which is why, while we still can, we SHOULD tell them to f%*k off

It’s reeaaeally 1984 enough imho

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You know what, that’s not my main concern. It has a massive use since ages, and there’s no report about it driving financial fraud. In their peculiar way, they are serious people lol!

My concern is what it does BEYOND what it’s supposed to do…

Somehow, and unfortunately, very true, but I’m still allowed to leave if I want.

This discussion really gave me the drive to look for another institution. I’ve been lazy about this

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I’m the same way, and we should try to be less so, because it’s exactly this kind of behavior that they rely on to make us accept more and more mind-boggling things (not just banks, of course).
But hey, I’m preaching to the converted… and all my posts are off-topic :sweat_smile:

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My retirement goal is Chile. I want to die at the foot of the mountains on the beach while I fish and kayak. I don’t even want a phone. Lol

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I’m sure you know that one (and I understood you weren’t an investment banker :sweat_smile:)

the Chilian fisherman and the banker

An American investment banker was taking a much-needed vacation in a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. The boat had several large, fresh fish in it.

The investment banker was impressed by the quality of the fish and asked the Mexican how long it took to catch them.

The Mexican replied, “Only a little while.”

The banker then asked why he didn’t stay out longer and catch more fish?

The Mexican fisherman replied he had enough to support his family’s immediate needs.

The American then asked “But what do you do with the rest of your time?”

The Mexican fisherman replied, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siesta with my wife, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos: I have a full and busy life, señor.”

The investment banker scoffed, “I am an Ivy League MBA, and I could help you. You could spend more time fishing and with the proceeds buy a bigger boat, and with the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats until eventually you would have a whole fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to the middleman you could sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You could control the product, processing and distribution.”

Then he added, “Of course, you would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City where you would run your growing enterprise.”

The Mexican fisherman asked, “But señor, how long will this all take?”

To which the American replied, “15-20 years.”

“But what then?” asked the Mexican.

The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich. You could make millions.”

“Millions, señor? Then what?”

To which the investment banker replied, “Then you would retire. You could move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos.”

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I hope someday. My current career track is mostly horrific burnout, likely stressful catastrophic heart failure long before retirement age.

reminds me of someone… :face_with_peeking_eye:
At least you seem to have a goal. Hope I can go to Chili one day btw! I’ll come visit :partying_face:

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