Discussion about if installing budgie also install gnome

This is budgie-Desktop install if fresh install this is all you need for a fully working desktop if you want more you install more.

Depends On : accountsservice gnome-bluetooth gnome-menus gnome-session gnome-themes-extra graphene libibus libpeas libwnck3 mutter
Optional Deps : budgie-desktop-view: Desktop icons
budgie-screensaver: Lock screen
gnome-control-center: System settings
network-manager-applet: Network management

This is Gnome Desktop install

  1. baobab 2) cheese 3) eog 4) epiphany 5) evince 6) file-roller 7) gdm
  2. gedit 9) gnome-backgrounds 10) gnome-books 11) gnome-calculator
  3. gnome-calendar 13) gnome-characters 14) gnome-clocks
  4. gnome-color-manager 16) gnome-contacts 17) gnome-control-center
  5. gnome-disk-utility 19) gnome-font-viewer 20) gnome-keyring
  6. gnome-logs 22) gnome-maps 23) gnome-menus 24) gnome-music
  7. gnome-photos 26) gnome-remote-desktop 27) gnome-screenshot
  8. gnome-session 29) gnome-settings-daemon 30) gnome-shell
  9. gnome-shell-extensions 32) gnome-software 33) gnome-system-monitor
  10. gnome-terminal 35) gnome-themes-extra 36) gnome-user-docs
  11. gnome-user-share 38) gnome-video-effects 39) gnome-weather
  12. grilo-plugins 41) gvfs 42) gvfs-afc 43) gvfs-goa 44) gvfs-google
  13. gvfs-gphoto2 46) gvfs-mtp 47) gvfs-nfs 48) gvfs-smb 49) mutter
  14. nautilus 51) orca 52) rygel 53) sushi 54) totem 55) tracker
  15. tracker-miners 57) tracker3-miners 58) vino 59) xdg-user-dirs-gtk
  16. yelp
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  17. gnome-boxes 62) simple-scan

Done it many times if Gnome is installed you will have the full gnome stack

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No idea. I tried it a couple months ago on Debian (I think I even posted the screenshot here in the show off thread). . . And just a couple days ago on EOS.

In both scenarios I was ALSO prompted with at login for GNOME and both times I was able to log into a fully functioning GNOME experience.

I don’t discredit your argument, but in real world application, that did not happen for me. And since I based my view as to what I experienced and not the theoretical experience you’re offering. . . Well, you get it.

So, when I install budgie, I also got a complete GNOME environment as well.

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Did you do this as a fresh install, with Calamares

In EOS yes. Debian was whatever their graphical installer is.

@fbodymechanic very interesting maybe a typo or to in the installer don’t know, I only install everything the Arch way. Apart from distro testing then its the distro way I just installed Garuda KDE it does not pickup bluetooth seems strange its arch after all no problems with Enos KDE, or any the GTK Arch based.

I have no idea what you mean by “installing the Arch way” but here is the package list you get when you install budgie-desktop on Arch.

pacman -S budgie-desktop                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ±[●][zfs-wip]
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (29) alsa-plugins-1:1.2.5-2  bubblewrap-0.5.0-1  enchant-2.3.1-1  gcr-3.40.0-1  geoclue-2.5.7-4  geocode-glib-3.26.2-1  gnome-bluetooth-3.34.5-2  gnome-desktop-1:40.4-1  gnome-menus-3.36.0-1  gnome-session-40.1.1-1  gnome-settings-daemon-40.0.1-2  gnome-themes-extra-3.28-2
              gobject-introspection-runtime-1.70.0-2  harfbuzz-icu-3.1.0-1  libgweather-40.0-1  libmanette-0.2.6-2  libpeas-1.30.0-1  libwnck3-40.0-1  libwpe-1.12.0-1  mutter-40.5-1  pulseaudio-alsa-1:1.2.5-2  pulseaudio-bluetooth-15.0-1  startup-notification-0.12-7
              webkit2gtk-2.34.1-2  wpebackend-fdo-1.12.0-1  xdg-dbus-proxy-0.1.2-3  xorg-xwayland-21.1.2.901-1  zenity-3.41.0-1  budgie-desktop-10.5.3-1

As you can see, gnome-session is one of the dependencies so you will get a working gnome session if you install budgie on an Arch-based distro.

Further, most budgie users will probably also want gnome-control-center. This will bring in more of gnome.

pacman -S budgie-desktop gnome-control-center                                                                                                                                                                                                               ±[●][zfs-wip]
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...

Packages (117) aalib-1.4rc5-14  alsa-plugins-1:1.2.5-2  bubblewrap-0.5.0-1  cheese-3.38.0-1  chromaprint-1.5.0-3  clutter-1.26.4-1  clutter-gst-3.0.27-3  clutter-gtk-1.8.4-2  cogl-1.22.8-1  colord-1.4.5-4  colord-gtk-0.2.0-2  cracklib-2.9.7-2  cups-pk-helper-0.2.6-4  enchant-2.3.1-1
               faac-1.30-2  faad2-2.10.0-1  fftw-3.3.10-1  fluidsynth-2.2.3-1  frei0r-plugins-1.7.0-1  gavl-1.4.0-5  gcr-3.40.0-1  geoclue-2.5.7-4  geocode-glib-3.26.2-1  gnome-bluetooth-3.34.5-2  gnome-color-manager-3.36.0-1  gnome-desktop-1:40.4-1  gnome-menus-3.36.0-1
               gnome-online-accounts-3.40.1-1  gnome-session-40.1.1-1  gnome-settings-daemon-40.0.1-2  gnome-themes-extra-3.28-2  gnome-video-effects-0.5.0+4+g9554041-2  gobject-introspection-runtime-1.70.0-2  grilo-0.3.14-1  gsound-1.0.3-1  gssdp-1.4.0.1-1  gst-plugins-bad-1.18.5-3
               gst-plugins-bad-libs-1.18.5-3  gst-plugins-good-1.18.5-2  gupnp-1:1.4.0-1  gupnp-igd-1.2.0-2  harfbuzz-icu-3.1.0-1  hwloc-2.5.0-1  imagemagick-7.1.0.13-1  imath-3.1.3-1  imlib2-1.7.4-1  libavtp-0.1.0-2  libbs2b-3.1.0-7  libcaca-0.99.beta20-1  libdc1394-2.2.6-2
               libdca-0.0.7-1  libde265-1.0.8-1  libdv-1.0.0-9  libdvdnav-6.1.1-1  libdvdread-6.1.2-1  libgme-0.6.3-1  libgnomekbd-3.26.1+2+g8d02ebd-2  libgtop-2.40.0+2+g31db82ef-2  libgusb-0.3.8-1  libgweather-40.0-1  libhandy-1.4.0-1  libid3tag-0.15.1b-11  libinstpatch-1.1.6-1
               libkate-0.4.1-7  liblqr-0.4.2-3  liblrdf-0.6.1-4  libmanette-0.2.6-2  libmicrodns-0.2.0-1  libmms-0.6.4-3  libmpcdec-1:0.1+r475-3  libnice-0.1.18-2  libnma-1.8.32-1  liboauth-1.0.3+14+g186fb14-2  libofa-0.9.3-9  libpeas-1.30.0-1  libpwquality-1.4.4-3  libraqm-0.7.2-2
               libshout-1:2.4.5-1  libsrtp-1:2.4.2-1  libwnck3-40.0-1  libwpe-1.12.0-1  libxklavier-5.4-3  lilv-0.24.12-1  mjpegtools-2.2.1-1  mpg123-1.29.2-1  mutter-40.5-1  neon-0.32.1-1  nm-connection-editor-1.24.0-1  openexr-3.1.3-1  openmpi-4.1.1-3  portaudio-1:19.7.0-1
               pulseaudio-alsa-1:1.2.5-2  pulseaudio-bluetooth-15.0-1  raptor-2.0.15-16  rtmpdump-1:2.4.r96.fa8646d-6  serd-0.30.10-1  shared-color-targets-0.1.7-3  sord-0.16.8-1  soundtouch-2.3.0-1  spandsp-0.0.6-3  sratom-0.6.8-1  startup-notification-0.12-7  svt-hevc-1.5.1-1
               totem-pl-parser-3.26.6-1  twolame-0.4.0-2  wavpack-5.4.0-1  webkit2gtk-2.34.1-2  wildmidi-0.4.4-1  wpebackend-fdo-1.12.0-1  xdg-dbus-proxy-0.1.2-3  xorg-xwayland-21.1.2.901-1  zbar-0.23.1-7  zenity-3.41.0-1  zvbi-0.2.35-4  zxing-cpp-1.2.0-1  budgie-desktop-10.5.3-1
               gnome-control-center-40.0-1

Neither option brings in every application that could be included with gnome or is in the gnome group but nobody claimed that.

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You do know what i mean I’m a Arch user, Enos is a GUI with a selection of desktops, so its easy to pull in the whole Gnome desktop, I install the base system and add software totally by CLI, that is the Arch way its not swearing its the way that works for me. :grinning:

Why duplicate what i had already stated earlier

That is not what this says is it or is somebody splitting hairs or maybe thinking that

It looks complete. I dunno. I was busy using budgie since that was the thing I meant to install. It was just an interesting thing I’ve noted in the few installs I’ve done of it. Sounds like you’re splitting hairs. I never went package by package to see if it’s literally everything. That would be a huge waste of my time. If you’re so hard on about doing things the Arch way - why are you even here? (Seriously, it seems counter intuitive to be at a distro if you have no need/want for it other than to tell them it’s not the “Arch way.” We already know that)

There’s no user “gideon” registered at Garuda, but you’re testing there too you said. I was seeing if you told them similar things.

No, EndeavourOS uses the same repositories as Arch for its Desktop Environments. There is no difference between Budgie on Arch or EndeavourOS.

In fact, there is no difference between any package on Arch and on EndeavourOS, except for the 45 packages that are presently in the endeavouros repo and absent from Arch repos.

And yes, you also install a functional GNOME desktop when you install Budgie on Arch (and EndeavourOS). Dependencies clearly show that, as proven above by @dalto.

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For goodness sake i’m not stupid I’ve used arch since 2004 and been installing ENOs since the project since it started
ENos Arch with a installer adds nothing to Arch any user could not achieve on their own, bar a nice forum complete with a :frog: shame the old dog has gone i liked him.

You are perfectly right i use my other user name I was one of the 1st to resister on their forum , no i’m a Garuda user used it long before the forum, Dragonised is on a 2nd machine Arch Gnome on my main machine, Garuda needs constant installs to test new ideas but to be honest i don’t give much feedback on my desktop its mainly faultless

But nobody is talking about any installer.

Say you have a clean Arch install (no desktop environment, just the TTY, installed the Arch WayTM), and you decide to install Budgie. You do it using pacman like this:

sudo pacman -S budgie-desktop

right?

Well, this will automatically also install GNOME on your Arch computer. This is what @fbodymechanic is saying.

The same is true on EndeavourOS, just like on Arch. Exactly the same thing, in fact.

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That’s it. My point was nothing is perfect. That was just the particular thing I chose to poke fun at in budgie. It was supposed to be more funny than serious.

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That is how it was taken by me. @Kresimir decided to butt in and blow it up out of proportion unfortunately but not to worry .

You were persistently wrong and, even worse, you were correcting people who were right. I simply felt the desire to point that out and put the final nail in the coffin of your mistake :frog:

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This is a circular argument that is going nowhere productive. I think all the possible points that could be made, have been made.

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