100 different DEs by 2030
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Personally, I donât mind having a wider choice. Even though Iâm hooked up with XFCE because it gives me what I want for the time being if thereâs a better DE then yeah I will move to that.
As I said earlier this is the world of FOSS. Anyone can start a project and share the code if others like it and if others find it useful then it will grow like the once mentioned few posts above.
It totally doesnât have to be structured because most of the bigger projects didnât start as well structured and backed by a foundation. Started simple and it grew because people liked it others started to contribute and then they needed structure to keep everything in order and stop things from breaking.
Supporting an existing one or creating his/her own thing is choice doesnât FOSS itself thrive on this ideology of choice, Isnât thatâs why weâre here? isnât that why we donât like Gnome because theyâre trying to minimize choice?
Finally, itâs just a DE why you haff to be mad?
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Back then, even I believed that CyberOS wonât be much of a successful project. Cyber OS is more of a custom desktop environment and Calamares on top of Arch.
Iâve been following with the devs; there was some unwanted politics and the team broke up into two - the other team being Cutefish OS. Iâm not following up with Cutefish team, because Iâm not really in favor of the split and it aftermath.
Possibly debatable content
Though, at this moment, it feels like Cutefish has better changes of gaining popularity because one of the Cutefish devs, Felix Yan1 is a package maintainer on Arch Linux, and Cutefish DE packages are already in community repo, while CyberOS DE isnât even on AUR.
CyberOS went quiet not because of the criticism, but because the team wasnât left with many members who could work enough to actually bring major success to the distro.
I personally want the distro to at least make some stable releases, since their desktop environment is exciting imho. Its got the looks of Deepin, but without the spooky stuff. I did a UI mock up of CyberOS music player, but due to my lack of Qt knowledge, it didnât really get too far. Iâve learnt some Qt, QML in recent weeks, and maybe we could get CyberOS back up this winter if the tides are right. (a lot of it depends on the team)
The project is around sure, but certainly not âkickingâ.
PS. If you decide to look up about CyberOS code, note that the GitHub page at https://github.com/cyberos is not the correct one, and has a very misleading message as CyberOS project has abandoned maintenance, please go to CutefishOS which has possibly re-directed many users from Cyber to Cutefish. The correct link for CyberOS git server is at https://git.omame.xyz/CyberOS
1. No intention to attack; Just stated a fact there. I've been rather thankful to Felix Yan for being in China and still pushing out updates to Arch Linux packages even during the pandemic.
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Thanks! Interesting and informative inside-perspective.
Visiting the website after six month, I got the impression that there has been some development despite the split. Perhaps âkickingâ is not appropriate to describe the level of activity of the project but it certainly didnât look âagonizingâ. But sure I wonât dispute your view (or better said, I am not in a position to do so) as you are in much closer connection with the project.
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14 posts were split to a new topic: Discussion about if installing budgie also install gnome
OOOOOooo, someone being pedantic on a Linux forum. I never thought that would happen. We can now sleep well knowing that the âtruth is out there.â 
/sarcasm
All I can say about âCosmicâ is, good on System76. Unlike many who commented, I read through the provided links before commenting. The System76 devs were willing to contribute upstream, but the Gnome devs did not want their code. Why? They have not apologized for some âtoxic social media postsâ made by a System76 dev. IMHO, this is petty and childish.
But hey, I am not a developer. I am an end user. The more choice I have the better.
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Do you have a link to that? I was unable to find it with some brief searching
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Canât wait for cosmic! I think what system 76 is doing is great for the Linux world. Open source hardware, core boot, now cosmic. We need more manufacturers like System76 to get off the Microsoft, closed source tread mill and start supporting Linux.
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They were in the links of the second post, link (thanks @eosbtw for posting them originally), of this very thread. Let me break it down âBarney Style.â
Section: âA Bigger Problemâ Second paragraph, Fourth Link.
Also further down in that section, the author shows screenshots of the offending posts.
The screenshot comes from this note here:
This is a response to the Pull Request on GitLab that a Gnome dev wrote. It is also shown in a screenshot in the first link I mentioned.
All that being said, I may have read too much into it. However, IMHO, the behavior* fits with Gnomeâs prior action.
I hope this helps.
*American spelling, just in case someone complains. 
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All i can say is i agree with Josh Strobl
âwe have seen a significant shift from GNOMEâs development efforts and vision being focused from their desktop experience, to a heavier focus on mobile-to-desktop application scalability and a more touch-oriented, almost iPadOS like user experience that does not (in our opinion) provide the most optimized experience for laptop and desktop users.â
and also the
âBigger Problemâ which is also in the same link above
I care about linux on desktop and laptop not hand held mobile touchscreen devices. Otherwise we will end up with no computers and only mobile crap! No thanks!
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To be clear, I wasnât trying to discredit your point. I was just curious to read the gitlab MR which I hadnât read yet.
Thanks for sharing the link.
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Cosmic is only good on Ubuntu just like Unity was and Elementary, Pantheon, but not on Arch.
Ubuntu has not changed for PopOs but that is fine, But you criticise Gnome that sounds about right.
Cosmic may be excellent. I hope and wish them well I donât use Laptops or buy overpriced desktops, nothing against them but i base my opinion on what i use and the pop shell does not suit me, As for Budgie I was a early adopter and it was excellent, time changed and it just became a poor copy of LXDE after Ikey did a runner. Now they are running with no where to go.
I also had high hopes on Deepin like many others at least they saw the light and ditched Ubuntu, Deepin again as its own distro based on Debian is incredible but crap on Arch.
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No worries, I did not take it that way. I was only adding some humor to my reply. It may have been a little too âdryâ to come across. Humor has never been a talent of mine. Oh well. I am glad that you found the links useful.
The relationship between GNOME and System76 is not in a good place right now.
https://blogs.gnome.org/christopherdavis/2021/11/10/system76-how-not-to-collaborate/
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Woah, thatâs borderline childish. Minus point for gnome on this one.
Thought
If I would have to work with that dude I would probably also program my own DE
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I have moved all the posts on the topic of budgie packages compared to gnome packages.
I would ask everyone to try to return the conversation back to the original topic as much as possible.
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GNOME devs are âinterestingâ. Years ago, one of them professed ignorance of XFCE: (comment #4 here.)
And I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry
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I am just wondering if building their shell on top of gtk is the way to go. But perhaps thatâs good for app compatibility, qt could be the other option I guess.
They could just ship kde And khronkite and latte and they basically have pop tiling.