Are Internet and the linux community getting more rude or is it changing?

You are being awfully presumptuous here. Who is to say our end goals are the same? I produce Youtube content that I want to make and see. If anyone else enjoys it, that is great, if not, so be it. I do not presume to speak for anyone else and pretend I know what they find tolerable. I know what I find tolerable and can control that level within my own space.

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YT comments you can compare if you have some forum on some servers on a particular country. If you poorly moderate it can get to a point a forum go take responsibility on a point. And has also nothing about censorship… depend what comments are, on my own place i will delete the comments. At the end other users can involve and it can happend to a flamewar you also wanna avoid.

I guess we would need to create glossary for that topic and start over… I mean those words ‘I owe channel and content’. I think that nor the channel or content is yours anymore, you’re only allowed to erase/modify/moderate it. Mixing google website with privacy is ankward for me :wink:
I had YT channel, 1 million views with 4 vids, never mind those ridicules comments, and never felt like it’s mine, as I gave it for people by publishing it.

Your only yard is your content, and thats the part where you can moderate every single thing.

In the end, you are allowed to delete those comments just like those folks on YT can post their silly comments. I can’t remeber, but I think that for abuse comments there is reporting tool.

And I think that things are getting emotional here a bit. It’s nothing personal @eznix I enjoy this little discussion, and never had in mind you as a person, I’m talking little more generally, and what I did/will do if I will ever own YT channel again.

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If that was the whole truth why not just close comments altogether? Why even release the video to the public? You can just set it to private so only you can see what you make :wink:

Well I presume you just don’t delete comments just for fun.

But for the third and last time - we will never agree on this subject -
and I feel you’re taking this whole thing to personally - so I see no point in continuing this. Peace

Not at all. Just tired. You can walk away feeling superior if you like. Blame it on my taking it personally if that is what you feel you must do.

It was not getting emotional. I was maintaining a very analytical discussion. Others may have started personal agendas, I just argued facts.

No, only if it is offensive to us. (With to us, I mean everyone in the community) You can show your dislike of the project as long as it is done in a civil way.

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@eznix I don’t think its censorship and anyone can have their own opinion. If eznix wants to delete comments on his site then he has every right to as far as I’m concerned. It’s his YouTube channel. Just because I have an opinion or a different point of view doesn’t mean you have to listen to it if you don’t want to. I don’t really feel the need to try to convince someone either unless they want to hear it and discuss it. It’s his channel he has the right to decide what comments are allowed and if he thinks it’s rubbish so be it. Whether I think it is or isn’t really doesn’t matter. I liked the video and don’t have a problem with it.

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Agreed - but as long as you’re muting me - that’s the same as censoring. You don’t have to read it - or respond to it - but at the same time you’re deciding no one should hear what I just said. If that’s not censorship what is?

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As long as what I’m saying is within the laws

Yeh. The Internet is changing, but only because society is crumbling. Ten years ago I noticed that basic politeness was so rare it was often confused with flirting. Today the same politeness would get you a bogus “Me Too” accusation and a prison sentence.

Thirty-five years ago only scientists and engineers could get in the Inter-Net. We were polite. The World Wide Web brought on the great unwashed. But at least Boomers, brought up by fathers in a polite society, were generally civil.

Then came social media. I dumped my Facebook account after the 2016 election unpleasantness. I thought I’d hang out on Reddit instead only to find Millennials and Gen Z are genuine sociopaths. I suffered a vicious personal attack after explaining how to comment a bash script. Deleted that shit.

I plan to purchase a good pair of reading glasses and go back to reading books. People educated enough to author a book in the 19th century generally weren’t ignorant, loud-mouthed, narcissist, thin-skinned psychopaths.

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Yes, I don’t even get this Reddit platform. I think it’s a horrible site can’t stand it. I also agree with you about social media platforms like Facebook and will never use them. What ever happened to the good old applications from the past like PowWow chat by John McAfee (Tribal Voice) It was awesome and that’s how people communicated not this writing crap that goes on today on the internet. Social Media not used and managed properly is a cancer.

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We can all make blanket statements about each generation based on our own experiences. That doesn’t make it fair to label an entire generation as being all the same. In general we notice the loudest and most obnoxious people and make generalizations from them. The well-behaved Millennial goes unnoticed. The accepting, open-minded Boomer doesn’t make headlines. Social media highlights the crazies of any group.

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I agree completely with both you and Bryanpwo. We don’t look at the bad that others do and say there is no hope of change but we set our positive light so others may follow.
I am delighted with the wonderful community here and I know it’s reputation is growing quickly. Congratulations folks.
Ps Bryan you have a few years to go before you catch up to me.

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I’d say I’m pretty much part of the whole younger group of Linux users nowadays, just a bit under 3 years into adulthood. I’ve used Linux a lot however and noticed that the community (At least places on Reddit) have gotten more and more “woke” about software.
Nonfree software isn’t as scary as a word as so many would like us to believe, just as much as free software benefits and keeps us out of a specific, abusive ecosystem. The key is that some people seem to take the idea of nonfree software being “evil” to an extreme due to Richard M Stallman’s words. As a result, people used to tend to nag others because “How DARE you use this!” or “This thing is nonfree software and is unethical”, and while there’s still that around, I’ve kind of seen it less and less.
For community in general, I can definitely see the political stance (as far as Reddit goes anyways) on certain subjects. When the Linux kernel Code of Conduct was introduced, so many people seemed to begin acting real toxic about it, while all it seemingly was, to me at least, was just basically saying “Don’t be a jerk.”

Honestly, I like Linux as I see it; a great tool, an operating system, something to operate under, I wish to see it thrive and grow, but I feel like the thing that still holds it back is the community’s louder, vocal minorities and the infighting. This community, the Endeavour OS one, has shown the opposite… Everyones very chill, young and older all wanting to simply be excellent to each other, and that’s kind of what the project itself is for, teaching softly and at one’s own pace. One step at a time nad all that.

Buuuuut, I don’t know, that’s me, I hope y’all have an excellent day!

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I always try to avoid posting in these threads but seeing that this community is far from the edgy-aggressive Linux elitist dogma, I take my chances.

So far, one thing comes to my mind.
Imagine a typical queue in a coffee shop. Everyone gets to the barista and ask for their beverage, the insane mocha double-choco-vanilla-pumpkin-double cinnamon-decaf, right?
But NO ONE will step up and berate that person or start to criticise the choice. Everyone is free to make their choice, right? Right?

Well, when the same scenario happens on the internet, the whole community starts a nuclear war on a particular choice or individual. Wait a minute, wasn’t the freedom of choice a thing? What’s wrong with YOU, people??
The whole social mindset has shifted to something very disturbing, the way of thinking is altered in very small and wicked increments by social media. The use of those platforms, specially designed to crave social validation at the cost of berating others or escalating to insane things people did after being on those platforms or did to be there and seek validation.

Now, the movement is in full swing and can be stopped. It can be avoided, though. Sadly, more and more people are having a hard time discerning where the line is crossed between real life and virtual life. Ever head someone saying in real life “LOL”. Cringing much?

After so many years on the forums and running what works for me is very difficult to pass judgment. Whatever floats your boat, brother. Whatever.
Windows, Mac, BSD, Solaris, BeOS, Linux, ReactOS…whatever.
And IF you need help, call me. And you are douchy, no problem, I can charge directly proportional to your level of douchiness. Problem solved.

And for those who want to see a very funny and smart opinion about “Full Stallman” or go “Full Ballmer”…here you have

I could go on and on, but I stop here. Let’s hear others what they have to say. And keep it civil folks, and make this forum awesome. This forum is what we make of it.

Let’s make it something awesome. As in “I can’t wait to get home from school and watch Cartoon Network and eat popsicle” kind of awesome.
Cheers,

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Love the full Ballmer full Stallman thing. I myself sit somewhere in the middle leaning more Stallman and if i had to choose i would go more Stallman than Ballmer for sure. There is no doubt. I could see myself going full Stallman but i’m not that hardened in my views or perceptions. I have followed all these guys over the years and Richard Stallman is unique. You don’t see too many people like him today. He is an interesting individual and i enjoy listening to his ideas. To get back to the Internet and social media. I’m not happy with the direction the Internet has gone in terms of social media and ads and all the garbage out there. This is not what i envision back in the days when i had been using phone line and modems to connect and Internet speed were slower than mollasses. I do not use Facebook and never will, or twitter or any other social media platform. It’s not my thing and actually can’t stand most of it. I don’t even understand some of the platforms like Reddit. Think a lot of them are just garbage. People have this idea that they can have this Internet persona and it doesn’t matter what they think say or do. I like this forum because it is a more friendly, productive and positive environment. I don’t want to be the person with such hardened views about anything. I can believe what i want to and listen. I don’t feel the need to push any of it on anyone. This place is just chill, a place to learn and place to relax and place to assist others who may need help with all things Linux. I learn something everyday!

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My answer to the question posed in the title:

I don’t think it’s getting more rude. It has always been rude.

Whenever/Wherever this question comes up, I always think of the old Penny Arcade comic on GIFT.

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where is the full-linus ? :slight_smile: free or non-free personal there must be always a choice… but lately stallman didnt get some backup reviewers cause of some word choice he made, some contradict ?? , but balmer is past :wink:

Your right…full Linus! Full on Linux! Full on Arch…but better on Endeavour! :grin:

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It simply shows that these people have no idea what theay are talking about. They heard somewhere that a VB install isn’t comparabel to a real installation. Having that in mind they are talking nonsense. The guy doing that video pointed that out in a way easy to understand.
I totally see his point. He is not promoting censorship at all. I’m quite sure that he is also open for critism. But just based on facts, arguments and discussion.
I don’t know how often he was confronted with these reproaches. You maybe explain things 3 or 4 times, but at some point you’re fed up. Depending on how often he had to face this, I think he reacted quite calm and reasonable.