# Arch Package Management Being Destroyed **URL:** \ **Category:** Applications\ **Created:** [March 3, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450 "2021-03-03T20:58:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rocky-IV](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/rocky-iv/32/3902_2.png) [@Rocky-IV](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Rocky-IV)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/1 "2021-03-03T20:58:51Z")
Pamac AUR in my opinion is in ruins. Why do I think this. Arch package management is in jeopardy cause of Flatpak’s and Snapd’s. Why even bother with PKGBuilds since we’ve adopted Flatpak and Snapd? Arch may soon just be a fork of Ubuntu and Debian. I’ve had to custom edit Manjaro’s Pamac PKGBuild to eliminate all traces of Flatpak and Snapd. How the heck did flatpak get into the main Arch Repository? God I hate it if they call this !#%progress ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/2 "2021-03-03T21:04:59Z")
Sounds like you don’t like the way pamac integrates flatpak and snap but has nothing to with Arch. Arch doesn’t support or endorse pamac. It is software coming from Manjaro. I don’t see any issue with flatpak and snapd being available for those that want them. They aren’t installed by default and I suspect most Arch users don’t use them. ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/3 "2021-03-03T21:07:36Z")
There is no need to be upset. [![](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/e/1/e17603cb5339946bcdf4532d8e5f846656a7ca8a.jpeg "there is no need to be upset") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJDNkVDGM_s) AUR and ALPM are not going anywhere in the foreseeable future. ---
**Author:** ![Rocky-IV](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/rocky-iv/32/3902_2.png) [@Rocky-IV](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Rocky-IV)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/4 "2021-03-03T21:09:37Z")
**Flatpak isn’t located in AUR where it belongs** -----\>\> It’s in the main Arch packages - That’s my primary gripe. Exactly - I don’t like Flatpak or Snaps invasion ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/5 "2021-03-03T21:11:10Z")
> [@Rocky-IV](#): > > **Flatpak isn’t located in AUR where it belongs** -----\>\> It’s in the main Arch packages - That’s my primary gripe. Presumably there are lots of packages in the repos which you don’t use. It doesn’t mean they are invading. If you don’t prefer it, don’t install it. Inclusion in the repos doesn’t indicate endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/6 "2021-03-03T21:13:25Z")
Well, I hate snaps as much as the OP (probably even more). That’s why I don’t use them… 🤷‍♂️ Besides, Snapd is not in the official Arch repos (and even if it were, I wouldn’t care…) Flatpak is not so bad, there aren’t any privacy concerns with it like with Snapd. I still don’t use it, since there is nothing there I need and can’t find in the AUR. It’s not like you’re forced to use Snaps and Flatpaks… ---
**Author:** ![tlmiller76](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/tlmiller76/32/96350_2.png) [@tlmiller76](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/tlmiller76)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/7 "2021-03-03T21:16:24Z")
I’m 90% in agreement with this. I DO use Flatpak, for 1 package. RetroArch. I’ve never managed to get the repo version to play the games I want, whereas the flatpak version “just works” after installing it. So I use it rather than the repo version. Other than that, I dislike snap greatly, and would never use that (even have snapd package pinned at -1000 priority on my KDE Neon install to prevent it from ever getting installed). ---
**Author:** ![Rocky-IV](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/rocky-iv/32/3902_2.png) [@Rocky-IV](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Rocky-IV)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/8 "2021-03-03T21:17:37Z")
I agree Kresimir Everything I need has already been available in Arch packages and the AUR … so why complicate issues. **Besides we can create our own PKGBuilds** Arch Motto is: Keep IT Simple ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/9 "2021-03-03T21:20:23Z")
Well, there is nothing we can do about it here, Arch is upstream… You _could_ go on Arch forum and ask them to remove Flatpak from the repos. Just let me know in advance so I can make some popcorn and enjoy the show… 🤣 🍿 Obligatory disclaimer: this is a joke, not a serious suggestion. If you do it, I am not responsible for anything resulting from it. ---
**Author:** ![anon75994754](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d78d45/32.png) [@anon75994754](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon75994754)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/10 "2021-03-03T21:23:15Z")
@Kresimir You funny 👍 ---
**Author:** ![keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/keybreak/32/9257_2.png) [@keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/keybreak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/11 "2021-03-03T21:58:30Z")
Is it on testing or something btw? I don’t have it in main repo yet ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/12 "2021-03-03T22:02:54Z")
Flatpak? It’s in the repos: [https://archlinux.org/packages/?name=flatpak](https://archlinux.org/packages/?name=flatpak) Snap is in the AUR. ---
**Author:** ![keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/keybreak/32/9257_2.png) [@keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/keybreak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/13 "2021-03-03T22:03:23Z")
pamac i mean or i missed the point and need to kickstart my heart…? 🤣 😴 ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/14 "2021-03-03T22:04:57Z")
Pamac is not in the repos, no AUR helper or GUI wrapper for pacman is in the Arch repos, and it’s very unlikely it will get there in the foreseeable future. Yay is in the EndeavourOS repo, though. ---
**Author:** ![jonathon](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/jonathon/32/18722_2.png) [@jonathon](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/jonathon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/15 "2021-03-03T22:08:49Z")
> [@Rocky-IV](#): > > Arch may soon just be a fork of Ubuntu and Debian. The number of people I’ve seen who ask for a Debian-based Arch… _“This distro would be the best but could it be based on Debian instead because that’s what I’m used to?”_ 😓 ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/16 "2021-03-03T22:09:36Z")
> [@jonathon](#): > > Debian-based Arch What about Arch-based Debian? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Beardedgeek72](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/beardedgeek72/32/846_2.png) [@Beardedgeek72](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Beardedgeek72)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/17 "2021-03-03T22:11:56Z")
> [@Rocky-IV](#): > > Pamac AUR in my opinion is in ruins. > Why do I think this. > Arch package management is in jeopardy cause of Flatpak’s and Snapd’s. > Why even bother with PKGBuilds since we’ve adopted Flatpak and Snapd? > > Arch may soon just be a fork of Ubuntu and Debian. > I’ve had to custom edit Manjaro’s Pamac PKGBuild to eliminate all traces of Flatpak and Snapd. > How the heck did flatpak get into the main Arch Repository? > > God I hate it if they call this !#%progress …I… am not understanding your point. It seems indeed that you are trying to make an argument that Arch will be “ruined” because pamac, a program that isn’t even in the main repos, supports flatpak and snaps? That doesn’t make sense. As for flatpak being in the main repos… why shouldn’t it be? ---
**Author:** ![jonathon](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/jonathon/32/18722_2.png) [@jonathon](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/jonathon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/18 "2021-03-03T22:12:43Z")
> [@Kresimir](#): > > What about Arch-based Debian? About as crazy as an Arch-based 🟩 ! 🤣 _(Solid internal joke. Yup.)_ ---
**Author:** ![codic12](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/codic12/32/23959_2.png) [@codic12](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/codic12)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/19 "2021-03-03T22:19:38Z")
> [@Rocky-IV](#): > > How the heck did flatpak get into the main Arch Repository? Flatpak’s open source and actually decentralized (snapd is partially open-source but not decentralized). There is a lot of nonfree software in the repositories, such as Discord. Most people only use like, 5% of the repositories (random number from nowhere). If you don’t like it, don’t use it. I’m not a fan of either system, and the AUR has everything I need (although I’ve been working on my own declarative package manager, like `nix`, for fun in my spare time). But what I love about Arch is that it just gives you the freedom to use whatever you desire, without imposing anything on you. well, most things anyway… systemd and glibc are some that you can’t get rid of so easily 😉 ---
**Author:** ![keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/keybreak/32/9257_2.png) [@keybreak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/keybreak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450/20 "2021-03-03T22:26:51Z")
I want Gentoo based suicide Linux with snaps! NOW!!! 👹 [Next page](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/arch-package-management-being-destroyed/12450.md?page=2)