# Advantages of PARU over YAY **URL:** \ **Category:** General system\ **Created:** [August 30, 2021, 7:37am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020 "2021-08-30T07:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![anon86288359](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@anon86288359](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon86288359)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:37am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/1 "2021-08-30T07:37:12Z")
Hi, as the title says, Is using PARU better than using YAY what are your opinions on PARU? ---
**Author:** ![inffy](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/inffy/32/8160_2.png) [@inffy](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/inffy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/2 "2021-08-30T07:40:20Z")
Good read on different aur helpers [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR\_helpers](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_helpers) EDIT: Maybe we don’t need a new thread for every question? just saying … ---
**Author:** ![flyingcakes](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/flyingcakes/32/6218_2.png) [@flyingcakes](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/flyingcakes)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/3 "2021-08-30T07:42:45Z")
> [@One of the main developers for yay is stepping away from development to work on his own aur helper](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/one-of-the-main-developers-for-yay-is-stepping-away-from-development-to-work-on-his-own-aur-helper/9299): > > Curious how this will effect EnOS. Also think I’ll try out the new helper. > [@YAY is not maintained good anymore?](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/yay-is-not-maintained-good-anymore/11499/5): > > Looks like it is still getting commits. How many commits does something that is feature complete need? For me, paru excludes one of the main features that makes yay great. The color coded combinedupgrade compare. I see no advantage to paru over all the other AUR helpers out there. If I was forced to switch away from yay for some reason I would probably go to pikaur EDIT: This is what I am referring to in yay in case you don’t have it turned on: [image] ---
**Author:** ![pebcak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/pebcak/32/100472_2.png) [@pebcak](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/pebcak)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:48am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/4 "2021-08-30T07:48:21Z")
![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/1/7/174a1beb67cbcc2c67285106c9f47ab699f85a67.png) ---
**Author:** ![Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/kresimir/32/73739_2.png) [@Kresimir](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Kresimir)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 7:51am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/5 "2021-08-30T07:51:41Z")
They are both functional pacman wrappers/AUR helpers. I think the biggest advantage of paru over yay is that it is written in Rust, whereas yay is written in Go. This doesn’t make much of a difference for the end user though, but Rust is a really nice language, while Go is garbage. The biggest advantage of yay is that it is quicker to type, especially on a QWERTZ keyboard where Y and A are adjacent. I just mash both keys with my fat finger to type `yay` 🤣 Yay is also an older program, so it had more time for quality control. * * * EDIT: despite all the rumours and fear-mongering about yay being abandoned, none of that is true: yay is still actively maintained and developed. EDIT 2: It’s 2023 now, the current year. I no longer think that Rust is a very nice language. It’s okay, but quite underwhelming. C++ is still the king, which is is both great and awful at the same time 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Feakster](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/feakster/32/24784_2.png) [@Feakster](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Feakster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 8:48am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/6 "2021-08-30T08:48:49Z")
Also, `yay` places built pacakges in `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/`, whereas `paru` does not. To the best of my knowledge, these only reside in `~/.cache/paru/clone/$pkgname/` for `paru`. Not really an advantage or disadvantage of either. Just a difference to be aware of. ---
**Author:** ![mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/mbod/32/16833_2.png) [@mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/mbod)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:17am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/7 "2021-08-30T09:17:24Z")
> [@Feakster](#): > > Also, `yay` places built pacakges in `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/`, whereas `paru` does not. Isnt that handled by `makepkg`? In` /etc/makepkg.conf` you can set any destination for the packages you build: `PKGDEST=/var/cache/pacman/pkg/` ---
**Author:** ![Feakster](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/feakster/32/24784_2.png) [@Feakster](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/Feakster)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:18am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/8 "2021-08-30T09:18:43Z")
I’m not sure. I have never manually set it before. This just seems to be what happens if I change nothing else. Currently, the packages I install via `paru` don’t end up archived in `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/`. ---
**Author:** ![mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/mbod/32/16833_2.png) [@mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/mbod)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/9 "2021-08-30T09:19:48Z")
> [@anon86288359](#): > > what are your opinions on PARU? I like it. It is my default package manager for anything I do with packages. Functionally there is not much difference to yay. But paru is noticeably faster if that makes a difference for you. ---
**Author:** ![mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/mbod/32/16833_2.png) [@mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/mbod)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/10 "2021-08-30T09:28:40Z")
> [@Feakster](#): > > I’m not sure. I have manually never set it before. This just seems to be what happens if I change nothing else. Currently, the packages I install via `paru` don’t end up archived in `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/`. The packages are build by makepkg. makepkg by default puts the packages into the build directory. This is `~/.cache/paru/clone/$pkgname/` for paru by default. You can change that with option `BuildDir` in `/etc/paru.conf` It looks like yay is copying the packages from the build directory to `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/`. From my point of view it should not do that because by doing so yay is overruling the PKGDEST setting in /etc/makepkg.conf. ---
**Author:** ![anon50380917](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@anon50380917](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon50380917)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/11 "2021-08-30T10:19:48Z")
> [@mbod](#): > > The packages are build by makepkg. makepkg by default puts the packages into the build directory. This is `~/.cache/paru/clone/$pkgname/` for paru by default. You can change that with option `BuildDir` in `/etc/paru.conf` > > It looks like yay is copying the packages from the build directory to `/var/cache/pacman/pkg/`. From my point of view it should not do that because by doing so yay is overruling the PKGDEST setting in /etc/makepkg.conf. all sounds plausible. Should one, if one is willing, install paru with yay and then later switch entirely to paru and uninstall yay? Or is there a chance in the foreseeable future that EOS will be shipped with paru right away, so that you can save yourself the detour via yay? ---
**Author:** ![mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/mbod/32/16833_2.png) [@mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/mbod)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 10:47am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/12 "2021-08-30T10:47:53Z")
> [@anon50380917](#): > > all sounds plausible. Should one, if one is willing, install paru with yay and then later switch entirely to paru and uninstall yay? Or is there a chance in the foreseeable future that EOS will be shipped with paru right away, so that you can save yourself the detour via yay? You do not need to switch to paru. Just stay with yay. yay is still good. Nothing to do for the EndeavourOS team. ---
**Author:** ![anon50380917](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@anon50380917](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon50380917)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 10:48am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/13 "2021-08-30T10:48:38Z")
> [@mbod](#): > > You do not need to switch to paru. Just stay with yay. yay is still good. Nothing to do for the EndeavourOS team. OK, thx 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 11:21am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/14 "2021-08-30T11:21:14Z")
There is nothing wrong with paru. But the most important features(for me) in yay were removed in paru so I definitely prefer yay. ---
**Author:** ![mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/mbod/32/16833_2.png) [@mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/mbod)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/15 "2021-08-30T11:31:10Z")
> [@dalto](#): > > But the most important features(for me) in yay were removed in paru What is it? ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 11:37am UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/16 "2021-08-30T11:37:46Z")
There are a couple but the most important one and the only one popping into my mind this soon after waking up is `--combinedupgrade` which provides a color coded output that shows you exactly what versions is being upgraded in both the repos and AUR. It lets me see at a glace what I am dealing with, what might need a rebuild and if I might want to hold off on an update. Here is tiny snippet of what I am referring to: ![image](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/c/2/c287b3265e426b6052b377ab32a1ffe285649b65.png) ---
**Author:** ![mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/mbod/32/16833_2.png) [@mbod](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/mbod)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/17 "2021-08-30T12:25:38Z")
> [@dalto](#): > > `--combinedupgrade` which provides a color coded output that shows you exactly what versions is being upgraded in both the repos and AUR. In paru this is accomplished with an extra option `--upgrademenu` ![grafik](https://forum.endeavouros.com/uploads/default/original/3X/d/b/dbfadbf1b381ea69811b91adb5656947c3d52922.png) I just asked that question on github and got an immediate reply. I didnt know about this output feature. Not in yay and not in paru. But I like it. > > > The AUR helper yay has a helpful / convenient output when using the --combinedup…grade option: > > > !\[grafik\](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/10911665/131334789-691c40ca-5f73-4338-a4ab-2926d3f70061.png) > > Would it be possible to implement the same in paru? ---
**Author:** ![freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/freebird54/32/83106_2.png) [@freebird54](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/freebird54)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/18 "2021-08-30T12:31:37Z")
Funny I do that BEFORE running either of them - see the bash functions thread for _ **upls** _ - an on demand formatted listing of repo and AUR pkgs awaiting update. (It is)/(they are) pretty though! ---
**Author:** ![dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/user_avatar/forum.endeavouros.com/dalto/32/5577_2.png) [@dalto](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/dalto)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/19 "2021-08-30T12:42:40Z")
Nice, I guess he added that. It wasn’t there originally. Is there a way to see diff’s with paru? The only thing I see is the ability to review the whole PKGBUILD or none of it. ---
**Author:** ![anon31549144](https://forum.endeavouros.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@anon31549144](https://forum.endeavouros.com/u/anon31549144)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020/20 "2021-08-30T13:31:50Z")
> [@Kresimir](#): > > The biggest advantage of yay is that it is quicker to type […] I just mash both keys I keep forgetting to add yaya as an alias for yay 🙂 [Next page](https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/advantages-of-paru-over-yay/17020.md?page=2)